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Re: tiia's log (Finnish, Spanish, Swedish)

Postby tiia » Sun Aug 12, 2018 9:56 pm

jeff_lindqvist wrote:
tiia wrote:vocabulary such as sjuvhållfasthet


It's the first time I see this word (and I'm a native speaker). There's no way for me to figure out what it means without looking it up in a dictionary.

The thing is that in soil mechanics determinating the shear strength is quite important. But otherwise...

I remember how I was kind of complaining when I had had the one lecture in Finnish, that I could not use the words that I had learned there with anyone, because only students/engineers in that field would actually understand them.
But in the end, I can make use of those words now, because it is exactly the field I'm now having the job in. 8-)


Btw. the corresponding term in Finnish is leikkauslujuus and in German Scherfestigkeit. But I don't think anyone here (except me) will ever need those terms in those languages. :D
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Re: tiia's log (Finnish, Spanish, Swedish)

Postby tiia » Wed Aug 15, 2018 7:41 pm

So no visiting of a flat today, but I have one for Friday and one for Saturday as it seems. Locationwise not too different, not the best connections, depending where I would have to get. Minimum rental time 5/6 months. I did for both cases a rough estimation of costs for the minimum time, to see whether I can take that risk or not. I mean you can never know, whether the job search will work out or not. Uhm. It's quite a number, but still what I can take.*

I'm actually hoping more for the more expensive flat (per month - the total risk for 5/6 months is actually quite the same) as my impression had been so far the better one. Meaning also I'd probably feel more relaxed with a female tenant and more forest directly next to the flat. I mean, it's not that I've been joking that it's the most inhabited forest, where I live. No, not at all. :lol:

*I had set myself more or less a maximum budget and had calculated backwards, how much I can still pay for rent, so it's not surprising it's close to that number.

Oh and just because - one of the most beautiful foresty parts, still belonging to the muncipality. Photo taken approx. 3 weeks ago.

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Re: tiia's log (Finnish, Spanish, Swedish)

Postby tiia » Fri Aug 17, 2018 7:19 am

I'll just copy these quotes from the "Why bother and learn another language?"-thread.
rdearman wrote:
Cavesa wrote:Also, the "we've never hired 2nd language speakers for the job, only natives" experience calls for a follow up question: "and what kinds of candidates were you refusing,what were their language skills?". Perhaps only badly speaking 2nd language speakers were applying, or they were simply worse in other aspects than the successful candidates who also happened to be natives of the demanded language.

A company located in London is spoiled for choice. There were hundreds of applicants for the job, remember this was a call centre, so a position for Spanish speaker would get 100-200 applicants, so the first thing you do is strip out all applicants whose native language isn't Spanish and who don't already live in the country. Didn't matter what their level was, if it wasn't native then it wasn't enough to make the final cut. Even then we'd still have to go through 50-100 applicants who were native Spanish speakers and try to get it down to 10 people to interview then to 2-3 people for second interviews. I suppose if the job required more specialist skills like doctor or lawyer then 2nd language applicants would have been considered.


I know rdearmans example is about a call center and I'm more a specialist regarding my education. But exactly this kind of issue is forcing me to concentrate now on a flat search as a prospective job seeker, than just searching for a job. (I strongly assume that) if I don't have a flat in Finland lots of companies here wouldn't even consider me as a candidate. Not as a rather recent graduate without experience.
Plus, how can I work, when I don't have a place to live? (I know, there are ways to handle this.)
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Re: tiia's log (Finnish, Spanish, Swedish)

Postby tiia » Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:32 pm

Oh my... I really posted the last real update 2 months ago?

Okay so... I moved to the flat close to the forest. (Haha, as if there would be any flat really far from a forest in this city.) I sent applications, got rejected by at least two, but have an invitation for this week! :shock: I have very few information about the job so far, but it might be really interesting. Can I prepare myself for it? ehm.. not that much. Find proper clothing (hoodies, might not be appropriate, right? :D), maybe print myself some papers.
Writing applications in Finnish is still hard, but at least again some writing practice. I don't believe I write them without any mistakes, but I cannot send every single one to someone and have it corrected, especially if a deadline is already close. Of course I use the normal orthography check for all application related issues, because that's a minimum one should do and when I'm not sure, I try checking stuff via googling it.

Today's Finnish practice: Discussing about the heating, which didn't/doesn't work in my room. Now it was okayish, as the nights were rather warm, but imagine this when the temperature dropped below zero at night. (It already did.) I kind of managed to get the talking done today (and on the phone beforehand), but it was definitely one of the more difficult tasks as there were two craftsmen speaking rather fast.

Otherwise, I'm having again weekly meetings with my Finnish tandem partner, whom I had gotten to know in Germany just 1-2 months before I left. It's really great to have these weekly talks and learn a few words.


Then I finally went to Migri for the registration of the right of residence.* I don't know yet, whether I'll get it, because in my situation the only reason I can choose on which the right is based on, is "sufficient funds". Seriously? Seriously.
I have never seen any other person having to take this as a reason. It also meant, that the decision is not made directly when visiting Migri as it would be if you have a work contract or a spouse, but instead in some central office somewhere else. Yep, I'm an exception. As usual. Really, I kind of get used to never to fulfill any standard case. But the staff at Migri was nice and gave some more advice and what documents might put me into favour. Plus, if I don't get the right, I can just apply again. :D
But indeed I was lazy and used English during the visit, except when it came to my occupation, as the person seemed not to know the English word. I still think the English word is not too self-explanatory.
*In case you're wondering. This used to be done at the police stations until last year or so, but they moved it to Migri.

I did Anki two or three times again for Swedish. Why? Because my account got nearly deleted. But as Anki takes the length of inactivity into account, I can now put the next repetition for some words to 2 years. So probably I will never repeat them again? This might be an easy way to get rid of all the super easy words.

Spanish gets sometimes some practice at the language cafe. I don't really do anything else, although I once noticed, that watching TED talks in Spanish might be agood idea. I think there's still some Spanish routine missing. Anyway. it's nice to realise, that I can actually speak with people even though I lack words. A bit more fluency and I might be at the stage that I had been looking for, when I restarted learning Spanish. Or am I already at that stage? (My ambitions in the beginning were not too high.)

Pictures from the lake and forest a few minutes walking from my new room. Isn't it beautiful? Okay, but there're quite some noisy streets, too, so it looks much more idyllic on the pictures than it is in reality. A huge part of the lake's shoreline is on private ground. (I tried not to have the houses too visible.)
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Re: tiia's log (Finnish, Spanish, Swedish)

Postby Elenia » Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:27 pm

tiia wrote:Then I finally went to Migri for the registration of the right of residence.* I don't know yet, whether I'll get it, because in my situation the only reason I can choose on which the right is based on, is "sufficient funds". Seriously? Seriously.
I have never seen any other person having to take this as a reason. It also meant, that the decision is not made directly when visiting Migri as it would be if you have a work contract or a spouse, but instead in some central office somewhere else. Yep, I'm an exception. As usual. Really, I kind of get used to never to fulfill any standard case. But the staff at Migri was nice and gave some more advice and what documents might put me into favour. Plus, if I don't get the right, I can just apply again. :D
But indeed I was lazy and used English during the visit, except when it came to my occupation, as


Good news about the flat, and I'm crossing my fingers for the interview! I don't know how similar it is between Sweden and Finland, but what you've said is already sounding pretty similar so: do you have proof of insurance that will cover you? I didn't, and was rejected on those grounds. In Sweden, you usually need proof of whatever cover your homeland offers - private insurance is an option, but it's prohibitively expensive and apparently usually gets rejected. My right of residence application under self-sufficiency got rejected on those grounds. You may already know this, or not need this, but just a heads up!

Also, gorgeous picture!
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Re: tiia's log (Finnish, Spanish, Swedish)

Postby tiia » Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:13 pm

Elenia wrote:
tiia wrote:Then I finally went to Migri for the registration of the right of residence.* I don't know yet, whether I'll get it, because in my situation the only reason I can choose on which the right is based on, is "sufficient funds". Seriously? Seriously.
I have never seen any other person having to take this as a reason. It also meant, that the decision is not made directly when visiting Migri as it would be if you have a work contract or a spouse, but instead in some central office somewhere else. Yep, I'm an exception. As usual. Really, I kind of get used to never to fulfill any standard case. But the staff at Migri was nice and gave some more advice and what documents might put me into favour. Plus, if I don't get the right, I can just apply again. :D
But indeed I was lazy and used English during the visit, except when it came to my occupation, as


Good news about the flat, and I'm crossing my fingers for the interview! I don't know how similar it is between Sweden and Finland, but what you've said is already sounding pretty similar so: do you have proof of insurance that will cover you? I didn't, and was rejected on those grounds. In Sweden, you usually need proof of whatever cover your homeland offers - private insurance is an option, but it's prohibitively expensive and apparently usually gets rejected. My right of residence application under self-sufficiency got rejected on those grounds. You may already know this, or not need this, but just a heads up!

Also, gorgeous picture!


Good to know. I just tried to use the decision time checker online, result:
1. I cannot look up the estimated time for my type of case, because ehm "for EU citizens it should be done immediately when visiting Migri", which is obviously false in my case.
2. Residence permits for non-EU citizens based on "other grounds" take up 4-7 months after visiting Migri.
3. Residence permits for people with a degree from a Finnish University, who apply due to job search in Finland have an estimated time of 1-2 months.

Somehow I think that I either have gotten a job or left Finland before the decision is ready. :D
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Re: tiia's log (Finnish, Spanish, Swedish)

Postby Elenia » Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:36 pm

tiia wrote:
Elenia wrote:
tiia wrote:Then I finally went to Migri for the registration of the right of residence.* I don't know yet, whether I'll get it, because in my situation the only reason I can choose on which the right is based on, is "sufficient funds". Seriously? Seriously.
I have never seen any other person having to take this as a reason. It also meant, that the decision is not made directly when visiting Migri as it would be if you have a work contract or a spouse, but instead in some central office somewhere else. Yep, I'm an exception. As usual. Really, I kind of get used to never to fulfill any standard case. But the staff at Migri was nice and gave some more advice and what documents might put me into favour. Plus, if I don't get the right, I can just apply again. :D
But indeed I was lazy and used English during the visit, except when it came to my occupation, as


Good news about the flat, and I'm crossing my fingers for the interview! I don't know how similar it is between Sweden and Finland, but what you've said is already sounding pretty similar so: do you have proof of insurance that will cover you? I didn't, and was rejected on those grounds. In Sweden, you usually need proof of whatever cover your homeland offers - private insurance is an option, but it's prohibitively expensive and apparently usually gets rejected. My right of residence application under self-sufficiency got rejected on those grounds. You may already know this, or not need this, but just a heads up!

Also, gorgeous picture!


Good to know. I just tried to use the decision time checker online, result: 1. I cannot look uo the estimated time for my type of case, because ehm "for EU citizens it should be done immediately when visiting Migri", which is obviously false in my case.
2. Residence permits for non-EU citizens based on "other grounds" take up 4-7 months after visiting Migri.
3. Residence permits for people with a degree from a Finnish University, who apply due to job search in Finland have an estimated time of 1-2 months.

Somehow I think that I either have gotten a job or left Finland before the decision is ready. :D


Oh, the joys of bureaucracy :D
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Postby tiia » Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:35 pm

Since my last post I got so much Finnish practice! Wow. And I will get much, much more in the near future. But first I will be in Germany next week. And then..
I will start a new job!
In Finnish!

That went really fast. I don't want to tell too much more about the interview etc., but yes, it's a permanent work place perfectly suitable for my degree. Let's see how the work there will turn out in reality. Still feels like I had it here easier to find work than in the same situation in Germany. But what do I know? I didn't really apply for many jobs in Germany (maybe 3-5?) before I decided to go at least for the summer back to Finland.
Still is a bit weird that now I'm really aiming to settle down here. It somehow went so fast to come back here this year after all the time (nearly 5 years since I returned from the exchange), to decide, that it's not yet time to leave again.

And I also started knitting. Doing the second scarf now. (I call it the knitting-diet, because it keeps my hands away from food, when watching/listening youtube.)
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Re: tiia's log (Finnish, Spanish, Swedish)

Postby Elenia » Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:11 am

Morgana wrote:
tiia wrote:And I also started knitting. Doing the second scarf now. (I call it the knitting-diet, because it keeps my hands away from food, when watching/listening youtube.)

:idea: I don't have the munching problem, but I do have a "stops paying attention and/or falls asleep while doing listening-oriented activities" problem, and maybe I should take up knitting to solve that.


I don't know quite how serious you were being, but I find knitting really helps me with that. I've even been knitting in my classes :D
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