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Re: Rdearman 2016/17/18/19/20/21 [One good deed is better than a thousand good intentions]

Postby rdearman » Fri Feb 19, 2021 10:15 am

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rdearman wrote:Korean is mostly just watching a shed-load of dramas. Probably between 4 & 6 hours a day. I'm also dipping in and out of Korean teaching podcasts and YT channels. I try learning what I believe should be a commonly used word, then listen out for it during the dramas. Rather than just focusing on the subtitles. It seems to be working. I worked out that 가 means go (erroneously because the dictionary says it means "end"), then 가다 was go and 가다가 was something like, I'm coming, or I'm going? But the guy kept saying 가 and kicking the horse, so... Anyway, I'm trying to puzzle out some stuff.

I tend to remember words which I've tried to work out myself better, so hopefully this will help.
I used to watch a French YouTuber who had learned some Korean. She made one, how I learned Korean video, where she recommended talktomeinkorean.com as a good resource.

I have watched that video. :)

I can only use a limited sub-set of the stuff on Talk to me in Korean, because this is a free and legal challenge, so I can't pay for the courses like she did. :( But they do have some free stuff that I've watched and downloaded the pdf's for.
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Re: Rdearman 2016/17/18/19/20/21 [One good deed is better than a thousand good intentions]

Postby lingua » Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:42 pm

Coursera has three free Korean courses that you might find useful:
https://www.coursera.org/search?query=korean&
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Re: Rdearman 2016/17/18/19/20/21 [One good deed is better than a thousand good intentions]

Postby rdearman » Wed Feb 24, 2021 9:39 am

lingua wrote:Coursera has three free Korean courses that you might find useful:
https://www.coursera.org/search?query=korean&

Thanks !

Keep up the good work on the output challenge.
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Re: Rdearman 2016/17/18/19/20/21 [One good deed is better than a thousand good intentions]

Postby rdearman » Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:31 pm

I'm sure I wrote a post last weekend... hummm, age is catching up with me.

Anyway, I've continued to watch Korean dramas, 5-6 hours per day. I'm memorizing Hangul, and it is fairly easy to sound out the words now. I have no clue what the words mean, but I can sound them out. :)

Couple of conversations in French & Italian and I have started reading again in French & Italian. I stopped for a little while.

Brief (text) conversation with my Chinese friend, although apart from a couple of characters it was in English.

I wish I could learn languages other than programming ones. I did a little exercise in classification of languages I know. :lol: :ugeek: :ugeek: :mrgreen:
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PERLC2
CC1
C++B2
PythonB1
GAS AssemblerB1
RustB2
JavaB1
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LispA1
PHPC2
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Re: Rdearman 2016/17/18/19/20/21 [One good deed is better than a thousand good intentions]

Postby jeff_lindqvist » Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:27 pm

Wow. Some list. You've just inspired me to add something else to my repertoire.
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Postby rdearman » Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:06 pm

jeff_lindqvist wrote:Wow. Some list. You've just inspired me to add something else to my repertoire.

Don't be too impressed, I've been doing this stuff for 30+ years, and I was using UNIX before Linus Torvald wrote his first line of code. :lol:
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Re: Rdearman 2016/17/18/19/20/21 [One good deed is better than a thousand good intentions]

Postby rdearman » Sun Mar 21, 2021 6:42 pm

I have been watching a lot of Korean dramas, but I'm getting burned out on them to be perfectly honest. I got my vaccination yesterday, and I'm feeling a bit shite today. Headache and some muscle ache, but it only lasts a day or two apparently. I haven't really felt like doing much and been struggling to even do some programming.

I was thinking that part of the problem with learning natural languages is that unlike with computer programming there is no immediate feedback. I spend a lot of time wrestling with the compiler to get everything just right, so it will compile into a working program. But for French, Italian or Korean I don't have a feedback system or error messages to help me learn.

I spoke with an Italian teacher of English yesterday, and we'll be doing some conversation exchanges. She has a system she uses to teach her schoolkids English and wants to do the same thing for me in Italian. Mainly to erase the constant misuse of the infinitive forms of verbs. It sounded great yesterday before the shot, but now it sounds like torture. Hopefully, I'll be better before I start doing this with her.

Recently I've been considering packing in language learning. I don't really get a lot of pleasure out of it, and there isn't much utility in it for me either. But then again doing rust programming and electronics isn't particularly useful to me at the moment either.
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Re: Rdearman 2016/17/18/19/20/21 [One good deed is better than a thousand good intentions]

Postby cjareck » Sun Mar 21, 2021 8:06 pm

rdearman wrote:I was thinking that part of the problem with learning natural languages is that unlike with computer programming there is no immediate feedback. I spend a lot of time wrestling with the compiler to get everything just right, so it will compile into a working program. But for French, Italian or Korean I don't have a feedback system or error messages to help me learn.

As a hobbyist programmer (C++, PHP, JavaScript) and language learner, I think that you might be wrong. If it were as you wrote, there would be no bugs in computer programs. You receive instant feedback from the compiler, but it will tell you if it is "grammatically" correct, not that it makes sense or it is what you wanted to say. In C++, you can also create some memory problems after a successful compilation, so it isn't even fully "grammatically" correct.

So the compiler feedback may be instant but is faulty...
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Re: Rdearman 2016/17/18/19/20/21 [One good deed is better than a thousand good intentions]

Postby rdearman » Sun Mar 21, 2021 8:40 pm

Try rust you will not get the memory problems . :ugeek:

But I think my analogy still holds true. If you can fight the compiler long enough to get a working nontrivial program then your C2 level. And even C2 speakers have the occasional runtime error!

The main point for me is instant feedback from the compiler lowers the learning time. I think if I lived and worked each day with the language the feedback loop would be greater and cut down on the time required to learn.

I was once asked what i would do if I won the lottery. First I would buy a billboard across from all the companies I have worked for with a big photo of me holding the lottery cheque and making a hand guesture. Then I would hire two people one french and one Italian to follow me around 3 days a week each speaking with me and correcting me. I would take one day off.
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Re: Rdearman 2016/17/18/19/20/21 [One good deed is better than a thousand good intentions]

Postby IronMike » Sun Mar 21, 2021 9:25 pm

rdearman wrote:Recently I've been considering packing in language learning. I don't really get a lot of pleasure out of it, and there isn't much utility in it for me either. But then again doing rust programming and electronics isn't particularly useful to me at the moment either.

When I get like this, besides "packing in" the learning part of it, I shift to just pleasurable reading in the L2, whichever one I'm not currently annoyed at. And then I spend lots of times on other projects (I am a scanner, after all, right Jeff!). This lasts as long as four or five months, but most times less. Probably because the work-required language test is annual, and that language proficiency pay keeps me studying!
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