Jammon Log (Bangla, Spanish, Ancient Greek . . . who knows?)

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Yunus39
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Re: Jammon Log (Bangla, Spanish, Ancient Greek . . . who knows?)

Postby Yunus39 » Thu Sep 08, 2022 3:44 am

Series list for my 100 hours of native-to-native discourse massaging:

MONEY HONEY-hoichoi (watched and massaged, fictionalization of an actual bank heist in Kushtia)
MAHANAGAR-hoichoi (watched and massaged, story about a corrupt police officer and his schemes)
TAQDEER-hoichoi (watched and massaged, story about a corpse freezer truck driver who finds an unidentified corpse in his truck and gets embroiled in a conspiracy)

LADIES AND GENTLEMAN - Zee5 (watched, workplace harassment story)
CONTRACT - Zee5 (watched, crime/political thriller)

420-youtube (to-watch, political thriller)
Kaiser-hoichoi (to-watch, detective)
Boli-hoichoi (to-watch, crime)
Dour-hoichoi (to-watch, crime)
Refugee-hoichoi (to-watch, crime)
Karagar-hoichoi (to-watch, mystery, prison)
Sabrina-hoichoi (to-watch, hospital-drama)
51 Poribar-youtube (to-watch, family drama)
Punarjanma - youtube (to-watch)
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Re: Jammon Log (Bangla, Spanish, Ancient Greek . . . who knows?)

Postby Yunus39 » Thu Sep 08, 2022 7:01 am

Wrote a post for that "Krashen vs. Krashenite" thread, and then decided not to post it. The ground has been retread there, and I don't know if what I've written would be on-topic or interesting enough for the people involved. So I will post it here instead:

I find myself repeating things that have already been mentioned in this lengthy thread.

I will say, I learned Bangla mainly through GPA which was created by Greg Thompson, a linguist inspired by Krashen and ethnography methods. It is a highly social method. Grammar books are forbidden. Dictionaries are forbidden. You aren't supposed to use any flashcards or learn any vocab out of context. It is all supposed to be in a native context learning from native speakers using recordings extensively. Reading is discouraged until very late in the process. Lots of people hate it.

I have found it to be highly effective for listening and speaking. My writing and spelling are pretty bad. I also disobeyed the GPA methods and felt guilty about it. In some ways, I wish I would have followed Krashen's ideas more closely. I definitely regret waiting so long to read (that's Thompson's fault not Krashen's). For me personally, reading, grammar, dictionaries, and Anki can be compelling content that I have the energy to engage in for long hours, whereas social activities, especially small talk, saps my strength and will to live.

The thing is, though, that for Thompson and GPA this is only for the first 1500 hours or so of language learning. After that, you can do whatever you want. I think there can be a lot of wisdom in that. Learn how to have a conversation and have a working ability in the language before you start to worry about Grammar. Don't worry about words that don't come up in conversation until later. Etc.
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Re: Jammon Log (Bangla, Spanish, Ancient Greek . . . who knows?)

Postby luke » Thu Sep 08, 2022 10:24 am

Yunus39 wrote:For me personally, reading, grammar, dictionaries, and Anki can be compelling content that I have the energy to engage in for long hours, whereas social activities, especially small talk, saps my strength and will to live.

Learn how to have a conversation and have a working ability in the language before you start to worry about Grammar. Don't worry about words that don't come up in conversation until later.

That seems like either a paradox or a contradiction. I value personal experience. I'm trying to understand how these two together. You're a "skip the small talk" person, I take it. (I am too). Still trying to understand.

On the Krashen front, I'm thinking he's an educator and values "get the kids to like learning" rather than a bondage and discipline, "make the kids learn" approach.

I think Krashen might relate to the quote, "Premature optimization is the root of all evil".
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Re: Jammon Log (Bangla, Spanish, Ancient Greek . . . who knows?)

Postby Yunus39 » Thu Sep 08, 2022 10:45 am

Good point. I can see how that seems contradictory juxtaposed.

I think the first 500 hours of language learning are the toughest and least interesting, but also the time when you can make the quickest progress. Focusing on a highly social method that gets you past the point where comprehensible input is hard to find and gives you external motivation (the native speaker in front of you) can be a good strategy/method.

After the initial plunge however, comprehensible input is much easier to find and working with grammars, dictionaries, anki, etc. can be more fruitful.
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Re: Jammon Log (Bangla, Spanish, Ancient Greek . . . who knows?)

Postby Yunus39 » Thu Sep 08, 2022 1:21 pm

I mean really, multiple strategies and methods can work. Multiple strategies and methods can fail.
The most failure I've seen is in the classroom. The kind of people who will read grammars on their own, probably could/should.
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Re: Jammon Log (Bangla, Spanish, Ancient Greek . . . who knows?)

Postby Yunus39 » Sun Sep 11, 2022 3:52 am

We are moving this week, and my wife is good at planning and administration, so I will be coordinating some things, but on double baby duty.
No language partner time this week.
If I get a chance, I will do some L-R, and watch some Bangla series on my own.
I'm keeping up with a Bangla audiobook and my Anki.

My mind is full of language learning activities I'd like to do. I really need to do more speaking exercises to get where I want to be. My comprehension is so far ahead of my output. My passive vocabulary is so far ahead of my active.
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Re: Jammon Log (Bangla, Spanish, Ancient Greek . . . who knows?)

Postby Yunus39 » Mon Sep 12, 2022 2:54 am

Didn't get much done yesterday, but I had an audiobook going most of the time.

Today, I have more baby-duty.

I did my Anki, read a page in Greek, did a Mounce Greek grammar quizes on Memrise (yuck) and a Greek parsing quiz (yuck).

I really would like to do 40 min or more of L-R, and watch an episode of Bangla TV.

My wife is taking a course on Lanuage Learning Assessment: how to create them, evaluate them, help people do self-assessment, etc.
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Re: Jammon Log (Bangla, Spanish, Ancient Greek . . . who knows?)

Postby Yunus39 » Tue Sep 13, 2022 1:23 am

Today's Anki Decks:

All Koine NT Words (10 new as many of these are review)
Koine Textbook and Graded Reader Sentences (3 new)
Koine Graded Reader Word Frequency Scrape (Parsing, 1 New)
Bangla Kittabul Mokkadus Word Frequency Scrape (3 New)
Koine Mounce's Most Common Words (Review only)
Logical Fallacies (10 new)

Baby is six months old today, and will be getting some vaccines. We move tomorrow. I will have a Bangla Audiobook running for part of the day. Switch to the Greek New Testament Audio if I finish that one.
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Re: Jammon Log (Bangla, Spanish, Ancient Greek . . . who knows?)

Postby Yunus39 » Mon Sep 19, 2022 3:14 am

We moved, which has been a bit crazy. The movers showed up several hours late, which meant our stuff didn't get to our new place until 1-2AM, and sat on the truck until the morning. I haven't been able to keep up with anything but Anki and an audiobook that I half paid attention to.

Today, I should be able to actually get back into the swing of things.

Did my Anki, a parsing quiz, Mounce Memrise review.
I hope to do some Greek reading, maybe continue some L-R in Bangla, and get an episode of Bangla TV in.
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Re: Jammon Log (Bangla, Spanish, Ancient Greek . . . who knows?)

Postby Yunus39 » Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:47 am

The moving tasks have settled down a bit, but now it seems like baby is teething, so we may be in for some sleepless nights.

I got through Anki today, a parsing quiz, and Mounce Memrise review.

I did a Bangla Listening-Reading Rep on a chapter/booklet yesterday and today. Listened to audio of several chapters of Greek. Listening to the first Feluda Mystery audiobook (Bangla) again.

We will see if I can get to any Bangla TV. Audio is easy as I can multitask.
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