Little by little (TUR, DUT, ITA, FRE)

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Re: Little by little (TUR, DUT, ITA, FRE)

Postby Chmury » Mon Aug 01, 2022 1:58 am

Glückwunsch mit deinem französischen Spracherfolg in Lyon Sonja! Immer ein schönes Ergebnis und Gefühl, wenn man viel Zeit in eine Sprache steckt und dann, wenn er sich in solcher einen Lage befindet, wo er genannte Sprache benutzen kann, dass er sich sehr gut schlägt und an den Gesprächen teilnehmen kann. Lernst du Französisch schon seit lange?

Ich bin noch nie in Frankreich gewesen, naja, vor ein paar Jahre für nur drei Stunden und als ich zehn Jahre alt war für wenige Tage, aber es sieht daraus nach, als ob ich nächstes Jahr möglicherweise für einige Wochen in Frankreich sein werde. Würdest du sagen, dass die Franzose nicht sehr bereit sind, sich auf Englisch zu unterhalten? Oder ist das Klischee schon ein Stück weit veraltet? Ich habe natürlich vor, was Französisch zu lernen, vor ich danach fahre, aber ich würde gerne wissen, wenn ich was Französisch lernen würde, würde ich viel Gelegenheiten haben, es zu benutzen? Oder wechseln die Leute gerne zum Englischen? Ich vermute überhaupt nicht, aber dachte, dass ich dir mal die Frage stellen würde, da du letztens da warst.

Ich hoffe, dass dir alles sehr gut in Barcelona geht Sonja! Viel Erfolg wie immer mit deinen Sprachen!
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Re: Little by little (TUR, DUT, ITA, FRE)

Postby Sonjaconjota » Mon Aug 01, 2022 7:44 am

Chmury wrote:Glückwunsch mit deinem französischen Spracherfolg in Lyon Sonja! Immer ein schönes Ergebnis und Gefühl, wenn man viel Zeit in eine Sprache steckt und dann, wenn er sich in solcher einen Lage befindet, wo er genannte Sprache benutzen kann, dass er sich sehr gut schlägt und an den Gesprächen teilnehmen kann. Lernst du Französisch schon seit lange?

Ich bin noch nie in Frankreich gewesen, naja, vor ein paar Jahre für nur drei Stunden und als ich zehn Jahre alt war für wenige Tage, aber es sieht daraus nach, als ob ich nächstes Jahr möglicherweise für einige Wochen in Frankreich sein werde. Würdest du sagen, dass die Franzose nicht sehr bereit sind, sich auf Englisch zu unterhalten? Oder ist das Klischee schon ein Stück weit veraltet? Ich habe natürlich vor, was Französisch zu lernen, vor ich danach fahre, aber ich würde gerne wissen, wenn ich was Französisch lernen würde, würde ich viel Gelegenheiten haben, es zu benutzen? Oder wechseln die Leute gerne zum Englischen? Ich vermute überhaupt nicht, aber dachte, dass ich dir mal die Frage stellen würde, da du letztens da warst.

Ich hoffe, dass dir alles sehr gut in Barcelona geht Sonja! Viel Erfolg wie immer mit deinen Sprachen!


Hallo, Chmury,
danke für deine Nachricht.
Ja, ich habe vor seeeeeehr langer Zeit damit angefangen, Französisch zu lernen, und zwar in der Schule. Das muss so im Jahr 1991 gewesen sein. :D Aber ich habe nicht immer regelmäßig Zeit in die Sprache investiert.
Dieses Mal habe ich nicht versucht, mit Franzosen Englisch zu sprechen. Aber bei einem Sommerurlaub mit meinem Freund vor ein paar Jahren hatten wir ein-, zweimal Probleme. Wir waren in einer touristischen Gegend in Frankreich, allerdings einer mit überwiegend französischen Touristen. Ich erinnere mich an eine Situation, in der wir in einem Restaurant noch Fragen zur Speisekarte hatten. Mein Freund hat die Kellnerin gefragt: "Do you speak English?" Sie hat geantwortet: "Non", hat sich einfach umgedreht und ist gegangen. :?
Also - ja, ich denke, die Franzosen haben mehr Hemmungen, Englisch zu sprechen, als Menschen in manchen anderen europäischen Ländern. Und es passiert eher selten, dass ein Franzose bei Verständigungsschwierigkeiten ins Englische wechselt. Das ist mein Eindruck.
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Re: Little by little (TUR, DUT, ITA, FRE)

Postby Sonjaconjota » Wed Aug 31, 2022 11:52 am

August 2022

I was about to not publish anything about the past month, because I didn’t do a lot language-wise. Still no active studying. But I want this to be an honest overview, so here we go:

Dutch
- I read a couple of pages of Het loon van de angst.
- But most importantly: I spent three days at a swing dance festival in the Netherlands. And I actually spoke a lot of Dutch. Contrary to expectations, people did not automatically change to English. So that was a nice surprise, and I also noticed that I am able to both express and understand most things. The last day, I got lazy and usually spoke English, the default language at the event. But my overall evaluation of the experience is positive.
I had planned to go to a bookshop and browse extensively in order to maybe find a couple of prolific Dutch authors that might become a go-to resource, but in the end I didn’t have the time.
So I’ve just brought back a Dutch translation of The Da Vinci Code from a book exchange shelf and a thriller bought at the airport that seems light entertainment.

French
- I listened to a several episodes of Histoires vraies - Crimes.

Italian
- I listened to L’uomo del labirinto.

Turkish
- I watched Zeytin ağacı, a short series with a slightly questionable message. But it’s the typical very aesthetic netflix series with beautiful people in a beautiful place, so I’ll take it.

Plans for September
Actually the Turkish series has motivated me to go back to active studying, but the first half of September is going to be intense when it comes to both work and swing dance events.
I also seem to be completely blocked with regard to finishing the revision of the 12th and last little booklet from my distance course.
So, here is my plan: In order to ease myself back into active studying, I’ve promised myself to dedicate a minimum of 10 minutes to Turkish every day during September. If I do more, great. If I don’t, that’s okay, but I will at least have some daily contact and know where I stand.
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Re: Little by little (TUR, DUT, ITA, FRE)

Postby kujichagulia » Wed Aug 31, 2022 12:59 pm

Following! It’s hard not to follow the log of a person who loves swing dancing!
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Re: Little by little (TUR, DUT, ITA, FRE)

Postby Sonjaconjota » Wed Aug 31, 2022 6:17 pm

kujichagulia wrote:Following! It’s hard not to follow the log of a person who loves swing dancing!

Do you dance as well?
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Re: Little by little (TUR, DUT, ITA, FRE)

Postby kujichagulia » Thu Sep 01, 2022 4:19 am

Sonjaconjota wrote:Do you dance as well?

Only freestyle, in my living room every night, hahaha. I embarrass my son when I do it, too.

I have always been fascinated by swing dancing, but I’ve never had the opportunity to do it.
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Re: Little by little (TUR, DUT, ITA, FRE)

Postby Sonjaconjota » Fri Sep 30, 2022 10:30 am

September 2022
I’ve finally managed to get back to active studying!
One of the not-so-nice reasons is that I’m out of work right now. I hope I’ll get a new project soon, but while I’m waiting, I’ll do as much language stuff as possible.

Dutch
- I watched
Alleen Eline (The worst film I’ve seen in a long time. I mean, wow. I also did not understand an awful lot of what the people were saying and drew comfort from the supposition that maybe the actors were mumbling. Maybe they weren’t, but in the end, it didn’t really matter. Had difficulties finishing this.)
Alles voor elkaar
Baantjer - het begin (I enjoyed this. Because I have netflix in English, what I clicked on was Amsterdam Vice. It turned out to be a prequel set in 1980 to the long-running tv-series Baantjer that I have used before as massive input.)
- I finally finished reading Het loon van de angst.
- I finished listening to Percy Jackson - De laatste Olympier.
- I’m going spend some more time with my beginners’ resources, because I feel I just don’t have a solid enough base. So far, I’ve looked up example sentences for 2 topics of my beginners' grammar book, and I’ve made a list with all the het-words from my A1/A2 vocabulary book.

French
- I watched
Blanche et Marie
Une fille facile
Un jour, un destin - Joe Dassin
Le passager de l’été

- I listened to several episodes of Crimes - histoires vraies and an episode of Chroniques criminelles.
- I worked on 3 grammar topics.
- I read Maigret - Le fou de Bergerac. I generally enjoyed it, as all my Maigrets, but it had some uncomfortable scenes with a kind of “casual antisemitism” that I guess was considered normal at the time.

Italian
- I watched
La scuola cattolica
4 Metà
(Entertaining, I was just a bit disappointed that they didn’t include the possible same-sex options.)
La dea fortuna
Scialla!

- I worked through 4 grammar topics in my beginners' grammar book.
- I took one conversation class on italki.

Turkish
- I did not strictly do my 10 minutes of studying per day, but I did it on most days, and I did a total of 13 hours, which amounts to an average of 26 minutes per day.
Thus, I finally, finally finished the review of part 12 of my distance course! I will still get back to it regularly and use the material from the course for translation exercises and the scriptorium method. But I’ll finally allow myself to concentrate on other resources.
- I did something that I don’t usually do at such a low level and just listened to audio content, without any subtitles and without wanting to understand everything. I chose the Turkish short stories by Olly Richards. Actually I thought that they would still be way above my level, but the experience was very curious.
I’m a bit on the fence when it comes to Olly’s storybooks. I find the stories silly, and I was disappointed when I found out that the books feature the same stories for all the different languages.
But it his case, it was an advantage. Having read the book before in Dutch, I could recognize and vaguely remember any new story.
And I understood a lot more than expected. Single words, sometimes short sentences, and above all: structures! It was superobvious if something was a noun in a plural form or with a suffix or a verb, even if I didn’t know or remember the meaning.
It felt as if my brain was grasping at something that was only very slightly out of reach all the time. Actually it felt as if my brain was rewiring things and literally growing.
I guess that’s what people who fervently defend input-based methods are talking about.
What I really lacked here was vocabulary. So I think I’m probably ready to tackle these stories with the Birkenbihl method in the near future.
- I watched
Aşıklar Bayramı
Uysallar


My goals for October
Dutch: As I’ve totally neglected these, I want to work through at least one stack of vocabulary flashcards per day.
French: No specific goal.
Italian: I want to make good progress with or maybe even finish my beginners’ grammar book.
Turkish: I want to study 15 h 30 minutes total, of these at least 10 minutes per day.
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Re: Little by little (TUR, DUT, ITA, FRE)

Postby Sonjaconjota » Tue Nov 01, 2022 5:44 pm

October 2022
Oooookay, that went downhill quickly! In October, my interest in fashion/clothing got rekindled, and I spent a lot of time knitting, mending, dyeing. I did not reach any of my language goals. I think I'm probably just going to leave it be for a while. Until my interest in and motivation for studying comes back, I'll never get into a useful routine. Maybe the start of the new year will help? I will probably not do another update until there is some positive change.

Dutch
- I listened to Saskia Noort: De eetclub, which I liked once I had gotten used to the narrator's voice.

French
- I watched La France des mystères: Sorciers et Prophètes.
- I listened to 1 episode of Chroniques criminelles and several of Crimes - Histoires vraies.

Italian
- I listened to Nino Filastrò: La tana dell'oste.
- I worked through 3 or 4 grammar topics of Die neue Power-Grammatik Italienisch.

Turkish
- I watched 3 episodes of Daire on youtube.
- I worked through several grammar topics of Turkish grammar in Practice.
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Re: Little by little (TUR, DUT, ITA, FRE)

Postby Sonjaconjota » Thu Dec 29, 2022 9:08 pm

November 2022
I didn’t post anything for November, because I didn’t study actively.
I did some reading and listening and had some occasions to practice speaking at a swing dance festival.

December 2022
I started the month highly motivated, and actually managed to maintain that spirit to a certain level.

Dutch
- I took one conversation class on italki.
- I did a tiny bit of grammar review.
- I watched
De tweeling (Dutch and German), The Takeover and the children’s film Code M
- I listened to
Tomas Ross: De tweede November
Tomas Ross: De vrienden van Pinocchio

French
- I listened to a couple of episodes of Crimes - Histoires vraies, and I think one episode of Chroniques Criminelles.
- I watched
Les 7 vies de Lea (I didn’t expect to love it this much!)

Italian
- I took one conversation class on italki. My tutor has found a new job and is giving up teaching, which I’m sad about. I really don’t feel like starting the process of finding someone else I click with. :-(
- Without being planned, this turned out to be the month of Italian. I started doing a grammar session here and there, and at some point noticed that there weren’t that many topics left in my A1/A2 grammar book. So I powered through and managed to do the rest, a total of 23 topics.
Unfortunately, towards the end, I noticed something that had happened to me with French when I went to school: At some point I completely lost track of all the different tenses and their forms, everything just got blurred.
Fortunately I have mastered the tenses in at least one Romance language, Spanish, and they are quite similar. So now I’m in the process of creating some notes with the forms and example sentences in both languages that might help to interiorize things in Italian.
- I watched
Per lanciarsi dalle stelle
The House of Gucci
(I didn’t plan to watch this in Italian, but after starting in English, I just couldn’t stand listening to Lady Gaga speaking English with this stupid fake Italian accent. What a dumb idea!)
- I listened to
Nicola Verde: Sa morte secada

Turkish
- I did a tiny bit of intensive reading and vocabulary flashcards.
- I watched
Kal (Boring!)
Özel Ders
one episode of Erşan Kuneri
two episodes of Daire on Youtube
- When I was visting my family in Germany for Christmas, I thought I might find some Turkish novels or children’s books (more realistic right now ...) in a normal bookstore in Essen, because there are so many people of Turkish origin living in the city. But they didn’t have anything at all. Back home in Barcelona, I found out that there is actually a Turkish bookshop (the only one in NRW) in Dortmund, which is nice, because it’s not that far from where my parents live, and I will probably have the occasion to go there next time.

I also watched As Bestas at the cinema (a film featuring Spanish, French and Galician) and I visited an exhibition about the Latin language in Germany (at Kloster Dalheim).
(I’m so, so tempted to start familiarizing myself with Latin again, but I just can’t justify the time, money and effort.)
It wasn't allowed to take photos inside the exhibition rooms, but I could take these two pictures outside. As you can see, all the texts were both in German and Latin, which I found really neat.

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Plans for January/2023
- Is there going to be a 365 days of studying-challenge for the next year? I really, really want to get my Turkish to a point where I do no longer feel like a total beginner. But for that, a bit of extra motivation would be nice, especially because things are finally picking up pace again workwise, and I’ll be very busy at least till the end of July.
- I’m also thinking of trying again to start studying Swedish. I “might have" picked up two new beginner books for it while I was in Germany. (Remember that bookshop in Essen?) I’m still on the fence when it comes to Swedish. I’m really drawn towards it, but I’m worried that I’ll get confused with Dutch, and I do have a couple of interesting resources for Dutch, too. So, I’m torn between first trying to get Dutch to a level where mixing things up is no longer a concern, or motivating myself with a brand-new language at the start of 2023.
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Re: Little by little

Postby dEhiN » Sun Jan 01, 2023 7:43 am

Sonjaconjota wrote:French:
Hm … I’ve done some reading, I think.
Oh, and I had a couple of interactions with native speakers while driving through France, and felt a bit dumb. I’m able to talk about abstract things, but I was stuttering like an idiot when I wanted to ask someone “Is the toilet free or are you waiting?” (By the way, would you use “libre” in this context?)

Bonjour Sonja. Je connais que je suis en retard et peut-être quelqu'un t'a déjà répondu, mais si non, je voudrais t'aider. Dans ce cas, on dirait disponible, pas libre. Libre est pour le sens du temps, gratuit est pour le sens d'argent et disponible est pour le sens de la disponibilité. Pour ton question spécifique, j'avais dirais « est-ce que les toilettes sont disponible ou attendez-vous eux ? » Plus simple, tu peux dire aussi « est-ce que vous attendez les toilettes ? »
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