French/Latin/Italian by the nature method

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Re: French/Latin by the nature method

Postby daegga » Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:24 pm

einzelne wrote:
daegga wrote:finished review round of Lingua Latina - I need and will take a break from Latin now


Could you tell more about you experience? Did you just read, without thinking about grammar much? (If I understood you correctly, you didn't bother about pensa, right)?

Are you planning to return to Latin? If so, what are you planning to do after LLPSI?


It's not as straight forward as with French.

Some background:
Back at university I had to prove high school level Latin (whatever this means) to be allowed to study my track. Since I never had Latin in school, I had to do an exam at the university, which they offered a 2-semester intensive course for (I took it for 3 semesters before I sat the exam) - classical grammar translation method. So we had to translate a text with the help of a dictionary, I had to prove orally that I knew the first 1000 most frequent words and had to explain some grammar points. Now this has been a while and I have forgotten most of it, but there is some basic Latin grammar knowledge in the back of my brain, and the issue is mostly vocabulary.
I do not have any specific goals for Latin - I picked up the book after I started the French one from the same method because I read that it is apparently the best one in the series - so I just wanted to try it for myself.

So my main method:
* read through the chapter (either all in 1 day, or 1 lectio per day and then the whole chapter again on a separate day, depending on the difficulty), aiming for 99% comprehension using the margin notes
* do the pensa (only did this for the first few chapters)
* read the colloquia
* read the texts in Fabellae Latinae (the extended version you can find online)
* move on
* after 8 units, read all of them again to check my ease of understanding without the margin notes (mostly)

I stopped doing the pensa after a few chapters because I had to look back at the new vocabulary list all the time either to remind me of the exact spelling, or of the noun/verb class, and I don't think I gained much by it. So the intention was to maybe go back to them in a later review when enough input hopefully did the trick so I can do them without cheating.

As for grammar awareness while reading: I did not just read for comprehension, but did pay attention to the details (also having a look at the grammar explanations at the end of the chapter to know what I should look out for). I did not try to remember grammar tables though (e.g. all the demonstrative pronoun forms, the casing is usually apparent from context anyway in the book).

During my review rounds, I found the chapters fairly easy to digest except for the last one I did (16) - more because of the vocabulary then the grammar. So I might need to read on and then go back to 16 to see some improvement there.

My plans where to just follow the Ørberg method and surrounding works: use Colloquia and Fabellae Latinae during LLPSI, follow up with Fabulae Syrae and Epitomae Historiae Sacrae and then go on to Roma Aeterna and some of the annotated readers (Caesar, Vergil etc.). But this plan might need to be revised after I finish LLPSI. And I have not planned further than that.

As for will I actually return: depends on available time and mental energy (and other priorities).
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Re: French/Latin by the nature method

Postby einzelne » Fri Sep 10, 2021 4:24 pm

Thank you for you detailed description!
Now your pace and progress makes more sense to me. (Initially, I thought you had some supernatural powers:)
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Re: French/Latin by the nature method

Postby daegga » Sat Sep 11, 2021 9:06 pm

I tried the TCF practice test and I don't get the scoring. Is every question of a section weighted equal? There is an obvious bug in the total.
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Some guidance https://www.etudes-en-france.info/calcu ... -tv5-monde
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Re: French/Latin by the nature method

Postby DaveAgain » Sat Sep 11, 2021 9:27 pm

daegga wrote:I tried the TCF practice test and I don't get the scoring. Is every question of a section weighted equal? There is an obvious bug in the total.
Screenshot_20210911-222417-min.png
I think the official test is weighted equally on the parts you take, reading, listening etc. but the practice mode TCP test doesn't offer an equal number of questions for listening, structure (reading? writing?), and reading.
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Re: French/Latin by the nature method

Postby daegga » Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:06 pm

I finally finished the first wave of Assimil.
Other than that:
* finished the review of the last few chapter of Naturmetoden
* did an audio review of the first 20 chapters of Naturmetoden
* wrote out some vocabulary for review from chapters 21-35 of Naturmetoden
* watched the 13 episodes of extr@ French
* read 4 graded readers at A1 level (followed by the audio recordings for 3 of them)
* watched the movie Oxygène

I started reading A2 level graded readers, and while the text does not seem to be more difficult than the A1 level, the audio recordings definitely are harder to understand.
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Re: French/Latin/Italian by the nature method

Postby daegga » Sat Oct 09, 2021 7:52 pm

French:
* Assimil second wave ch 100 (became a second passive wave since ch 20 or so)
* read 5 A2 graded readers (+listened to recordings of 3 of them)
* read 14 stories of Le petit Nicolas (histoires inédites) + listened to their recordings
* watched 14 episodes of Il était une fois... La vie

Italian:
I couldn't resist and started with Italian too.
I use L'Italiano secondo il metodo natura (also from the efter Naturmetoden / by the nature method series) and Assimil L'Italien (the new French edition from 2004).
Currently on ch 11 of Naturmetoden and ch 27 of Assimil.
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Re: French/Latin/Italian by the nature method

Postby daegga » Sun Oct 24, 2021 6:25 pm

French
  • read Le petit Nicolas book 1 (19 stories)
  • watched another 4 episodes of Il était une fois... la vie

Italian
  • Assimil ch 50 (will slow down now)
  • Naturmetoden ch 20
smooth sailing so far
the dialang placement test (word/nonword) gives me B1, none of the real tests tried yet
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Re: French/Latin by the nature method

Postby daegga » Mon Oct 25, 2021 8:32 pm

daegga wrote:
daegga wrote:
dialang french
* initial test B2
* reading C1
* listening B1
* grammar B1
* vocabulary A2

retest
* placement test B2
* reading C2
* grammar B2
* vocabulary B2
* writing B1


B2 listening now. everything feels much clearer
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Re: French/Latin/Italian by the nature method

Postby daegga » Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:17 am

Dialang just claimed my Italian listening comprehension is on B2 level after self-assessment of A1. Something is wrong with that program.
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Re: French/Latin/Italian by the nature method

Postby daegga » Sat Nov 06, 2021 5:00 pm

French
  • read Le petit Nicolas book 2 (17 stories)
  • watched the remainder (another 8 episodes) of Il était une fois... la vie
  • re-read Naturmetoden ch 28, 29, 32, 33, 34
  • wrote out difficult vocabulary from Naturmetoden ch 36-41
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