七転び八起き -- Japanese & Esperanto

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七転び八起き -- Japanese & Esperanto

Postby devilyoudont » Fri Jan 01, 2021 4:35 pm

Hello and welcome to my 2021 language log~! (2020: Japanese and Chill, 2019: I fail words)

Last year I was mostly interested in chilling the fuck out and maintaining what I had previously gained. This year, I want to push the envelope again by putting myself a bit out of my comfort zone.

This year, in order for me to mark down that I have studied, I need to first write 1 sentence in both Japanese and Esperanto. For Esperanto, I will post whatever I have written (probably a haiku) on my Esperanto twitter account. For Japanese, I will be posting on HelloTalk or LangCorrect most likely, depending on the length of the text.

After I do that, I can choose if I want to push forward with writing, or I can work on flashcards, reading, listening, whatever. But, this year, it is required that I use the languages as well!

It should happen this year that I become able to write all of the Joyo Kanji. If I am very dedicated to my flashcards, this should happen within 5 months, but I'm not that dedicated to Anki so I just know that if I stick with it it will happen this year.
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Re: Write Every Day -- Japanese & Esperanto

Postby devilyoudont » Sun Jan 03, 2021 6:38 pm

Japanese:
I have written in Japanese every day, and it's always been more than 1 sentence. Mostly this is due to the social nature of HelloTalk. I post my status update, and then people message me. This is actually a downside for me at the moment. Chatting in Esperanto takes very little energy for me, but I try to limit the amount that I do because otherwise it prevents me from doing other things. Chatting in Japanese takes a huge amount of energy. Compared to a QWERTY keyboard, I type incredibly slowly in Japanese. I type so slowly, that I tend to speak out what I type as I type it, so I don't lose my train of thought. There are also social anxieties for me which come along with 1 on 1 chatting... even in English. I would much rather be in a group room where I don't need to sustain the conversation myself, I can just chime in periodically.

Tomorrow will be a kanji milestone for me. I am currently able to write 1499 kanji, so tomorrow I will hit an even 1500. This effectively means that I can write 70% of the joyo kanji. I am also aware that I am running out of "easy" kanji (meaning kanji that I have some prior exposure to) because I remember from when I organized this deck, the last six hundredish had a much higher percentage of totally unknown kanji than the rest of the deck, and the last 300 particularly were practically completely unknown.

I've also been reading small amounts of 三姉妹探偵団 a few times a week. I need to get back on track with listening practice, because my listening practice has dwindled to practically nothing in the last three weeks besides listening to music. Probably less than 20 total minutes of proper listening practice in the last 2 weeks.

Here's a song with English translation that I've been obsessed with lately, for the curious.



Esperanto:
Esperanto is much the same as always for me, but with writing haiku again. I get some likes on every poem, which is a nice feeling... tho I know Esperantists will read basically anything in Esperanto. We play pictionary on Saturdays and otherwise I hang around in chatrooms. One chatroom has started a book club, and we have started reading 1984. I read thru the first chapter up to the introduction of the Ministry of Truth. This is a pretty decent translation.

Balancing it out, here's a song I like in Esperanto... sorry no English translation.

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Re: Write Every Day -- Japanese & Esperanto

Postby devilyoudont » Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:52 pm

I am still going strong with writing every day. For Japanese, I have continued to write at least 1 sentence a day, sometimes more. I've only received 1 correction tho, and I don't think my Japanese is so good that I only one mistake. I think it's likely that Hellotalk just isn't a great place for corrections anymore. For Esperanto, I wrote a haiku 6/7 days this week. On the other day, I just did a tweet in normal Esperanto. Maybe that's cheating a little; I'm fluent so regular tweeting and chatting is not really putting myself out of my comfort zone. I've decided to mirror my Japanese status updates, Esperanto haiku, and language learning log at Journaly. It seems like a pretty nice website, so I think the community is going to grow fast.

Unexpectedly, someone returned my old Kindle Paperwhite to me after six years. Somehow it still works, so I'm working on setting things up so I can replace LingQ with the Kindle. So far I've figured out (1) what kind of files the kindle can read (2) how to send files to the kindle (3) converting things from syosetsu.com to Kindle's mobi format and (4) this ancient kindle does have a full character set for both Esperanto and Japanese!

I am struggling with dictionaries right now. I found an Esperanto dictionary for the Kindle, but it is really bad. It can't identify any inflections and it apparently can't search for words that contain hat-letters. This may be a specific problem of my kindle being so old, the hat-letter thing seems like such a large bug that I can't imagine a dictionary was released in that state if its a widespread issue. It sucks that the dictionary is so messed up, but I decided I can live with this problem. My Esperanto is good enough that there are only 2 or 3 words per page which are unknown, and almost always I can guess the meaning from context.

The problem is more serious for Japanese. I currently have the default J/E dictionary on there, and it's unusable. My japanese is not good enough that I can guess meanings from context in a consistent fashion, so I need to find a dictionary that works. The first problem is that the dictionary doesn't seem to be able to deal with inflections (yet again). The story I downloaded from syosetsu has the word お婆さん on the first page. This is a known word, so I though it would be a good test case. The dictionary cannot find お婆さん or 婆さん or even 婆! It can't connect verb conjugations to a dictionary entry. Sometimes, it shows the uninflected form of a word with no English translation :cry: This is something which I will need to find a solution for before I unsub from LingQ.

I've also come to the realization that I need to stop jumping around in different books. I need to pick one book and commit until I finish reading it. This means there will be times when I don't read in my target languages because there are still books I want to read in English too. I accept this. So the first book I will be reading is 1984 in Esperanto. I might not have chosen this book on my own because I've already read it many times in English, but I want to participate in an Esperanto bookclub, and this was the book which we collectively chose even if I voted for something else. It seems comfortable to me to read between 3 and 5% of the book before bed, so that means I can wrap up reading this book in a month or two. After that, the plan is to read Dune in English because it is one of my husband's favorites and the movie is coming out this year. Then, I will choose to either finish 三姉妹探偵団 in Japanese, or find something else. This means I'm planning not to read in Japanese at all for about 2 to 4 months, which makes me nervous. But I feel I will have a more rewarding experience as a reader if I stop jumping around.

My kanji study kind of suffered this week... I don't think I missed any days, but I didn't finish reviews probably 4/7 days this week. I also didn't do as much listening practice as I wanted, but I did improve over last week. Mostly I'm listening to podcasts, but I feel kind of bored with them.
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Re: Write Every Day -- Japanese & Esperanto

Postby genini1 » Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:54 pm

devilyoudont wrote:
The problem is more serious for Japanese. I currently have the default J/E dictionary on there, and it's unusable. My japanese is not good enough that I can guess meanings from context in a consistent fashion, so I need to find a dictionary that works. The first problem is that the dictionary doesn't seem to be able to deal with inflections (yet again). The story I downloaded from syosetsu has the word お婆さん on the first page. This is a known word, so I though it would be a good test case. The dictionary cannot find お婆さん or 婆さん or even 婆! It can't connect verb conjugations to a dictionary entry. Sometimes, it shows the uninflected form of a word with no English translation :cry: This is something which I will need to find a solution for before I unsub from LingQ.


I use https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00AK ... UTF8&psc=1

It's $10 and there might be free or cheaper ones, but this one is great. It can give you the base word even with inflections and also has an example sentence for each word. Trying to read with the included dictionary is just an exercise in futility in my opinion.
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Re: Write Every Day -- Japanese & Esperanto

Postby devilyoudont » Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:38 pm

genini1 wrote:I use https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00AK ... UTF8&psc=1

It's $10 and there might be free or cheaper ones, but this one is great. It can give you the base word even with inflections and also has an example sentence for each word. Trying to read with the included dictionary is just an exercise in futility in my opinion.


This works great! Thank you so much
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Re: Write Every Day -- Japanese & Esperanto

Postby devilyoudont » Mon Jan 25, 2021 4:31 am

Last weekend I just became extremely depressed (unrelated to languages) and just completely crashed. Now it's time to dust myself off and get back on the horse.

Japanese:
I wrote status updates in Japanese only 6 out of the last 14 days. I barely did any kanji practice, but I spent today clearing out my accumulated anki reviews.

I did do a fair bit of listening the last two weeks. I have almost completed カードキャプターさくら at this point, and I think I've definitely seen more of this than anything else in Japanese. I listened to a moderate amount of podcasts every workday, and I also watched a film called 海獣の子供. This was a completely bizarre film and I do not really recommend it. I am like 1/10 on Netflix movies at this point.

My husband wanted to start watching Dragon Ball Z with me, we are watching it dubbed right now because that's what was available. Please let me know if anyone knows where I can watch it subbed! I usually try not to watch with English subtitles, but he will need them, and I think it would still count as a partial listening exercise for me.

Also thinking about getting ExpressVPN to broaden my options a bit once I finish CCS.

On Journaly I did a few corrections in Japanese. Right now there are maybe no Japanese natives using the site, which is obviously a problem. If I can fix a particle here or there it will hopefully mean people stick around and then the community will start to build up once Japanese natives also start using the site.

Esperanto:
Mostly just chatting. I finally decided to bite the bullet and join UEA and SAT this year. I also wrote 6 haiku since my last post. I have read about 10% of 1984... I had hoped to be farther along by now.
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Re: 七転び八起き -- Japanese & Esperanto

Postby devilyoudont » Sat Apr 17, 2021 7:37 pm

So I wasn't able to dust myself off.

A few days after my last post, a pipe broke in my house and put two feet of water into my basement. We lost the house heater, water, and washer and dryer (as well as literally everything else) in the basement. This was lucky because no structural damage to the house occurred. Insurance covered practically all of the damage and replacements. But it is the case that my life utterly derailed, and literally all of my habits for literally everything have collapsed. This is extremely depressing for me because I had been doing Japanese on a daily basis with like 99% accuracy for over 2 years and I'm just not anymore.

I've also returned to the office/commuting/etc since January and I am trying to do swimming multiple times a week. This means my free time now looks completely different than it did in January.

So, here we are. Time to regroup.

My goal is no longer to write in Japanese everyday. This is a "hard" activity for me and it will prevent me from recreating my study habit. So right now, my goal with Japanese is simply to reestablish an actual daily habit. Every single day, I need to put something on the board for Japanese. It doesn't matter what it is. In July I will consider trying for specific study goals again, if I have successfully reestablished my habit.

I still want to write haiku in Esperanto, because I enjoy it. So I will continue doing that. I'm not going to read a book in Esperanto right now.

So, here is what I've actually done since January for Japanese:
-Finished カードキャプターさくら
-Watched the movie バクマン。
-Listened to a lot of podcasts
-Learned 18 new Kanji
-Watched a few videos from the Onomappu Youtube Channel
-Watched all of 鬼滅の刃 subbed with my husband
-Read the Refold Language Guide

And here is what I've done for Esperanto:
-Chatting
-Some Podcasts
-Wrote 13 haiku in Esperanto since last update
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Re: 七転び八起き -- Japanese & Esperanto

Postby devilyoudont » Sun May 02, 2021 3:28 am

Just listing what I've been up to lately:

Listening:
-4989 American Life
-Japanese Podcast for Beginners: Nihongo con Teppei
-Japanese with Teppei & Noriko
-Learn Japanese with Noriko
-Let's Learn Japanese from Small Talk
-Nihongo con Teppei
-The Konnichiwa Podcast
-Thinking in Japanese Podcast
-Yuyu Nihongo
-朗読男女~5分で聞けるオリジナル物語

Of the ones I've never mentioned on here before, Yuyu Nihongo is my favorite. The Konnichiwa podcast is also kind of interesting in that it's similar to the Spanish Duolingo Podcast where it contains both English and Japanese.

Watching:
-花より男子 (live action, no subs)

This show is completely insane.

Flashcards:
-Reviewed enough flashcards that my review queue is down to around 250 rather than 400

For Esperanto, I made a flashcard deck focused around interjections and onomatopoeia. I find that I use practically no interjections other than "ho" "fek" and "ve" in my own speech. So, I identified a whole bunch of them on vortaro.net and tossed them into anki. If anyone is interested: https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/2054105297
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Re: 七転び八起き -- Japanese & Esperanto

Postby golyplot » Sun May 02, 2021 5:44 am

If you're looking for Japanese podcasts that contain English explanations, I'd recommend checking out Momoko's podcast.
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Re: 七転び八起き -- Japanese & Esperanto

Postby devilyoudont » Sun May 02, 2021 10:04 pm

golyplot wrote:If you're looking for Japanese podcasts that contain English explanations, I'd recommend checking out Momoko's podcast.


Thanks for the tip, I'll look for it.

Konnichiwa Podcast doesn't exactly provide explanations, it has 2 English Natives and 1 Japanese native, and is more or less a crosstalk style discussion about various themes.

I forgot to add on that I am also doing some gaming!

Current games:
Switch:
--Pokemon Sword
Android:
--Healthstone Japanese version
--Magikarp Jump
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