Montmorency's Log (CY, DE, NO) + (Celtic {Team) Nordic} + SC 2016-7

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Montmorency
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Maintaining: German (active skills lapsed somewhat).
Studying: Welsh (advanced beginner/intermediate);
Re-started: Norwegian ("false" beginner (?))
Back-burner: Spanish (intermediate) Danish (beginner).

Have studied: Latin, French, Italian, Dutch; OT Hebrew (briefly) NT Greek (briefly); Norwegian (superficially).
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Dydd Mercher 8 Mehefin 2016 - Mittwch - onsdag

Postby Montmorency » Wed Jun 08, 2016 11:01 pm

Cymraeg

Listened to:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b079zyt8 ○○○ (27m)
13/05/2016
O'r Bae
Rhodri Morgan, Ieuan Wyn Jones a Dr Elin Royles sy'n ymuno â Vaughan i drafod wythnos gythryblus ym Mae Caerdydd. Vaughan and guests discuss a turbulent week in Cardiff Bay.
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Catching up with the Weekly political programme, literally "From The Bay" (= Cardiff Bay where the Welsh Assembly / Government is located).

This edition was from just after the elections to the Assembly (as well as to local councils in Wales and England), and the ruling Labour Party had lost its majority, but was the largest single party. Negotiations were continuing to form a government, and at one point, it looked like Leanne Wood, the leader of Plaid Cymru (the Welsh Nationalists) might be First Minister in a coalition (a "Borgen"-type situation!). In the event, Labour held on to the First Minister job (Carwyn Jones continuing). Typically, this final agreement was virtually ignored by the English media, with even the Guardian (who should know better) relegating it to half a column on page 9. If this had been Scotland, it would have been on page 1. Perhaps Wales should have a referendum...

BTW, Leanne Wood was an SSiW learner, and has even been on a "Bootcamp".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leanne_Wood
http://forum.saysomethingin.com/t/bbc-r ... mru/694/39

In the interests of political balance: ○○○ :)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carwyn_Jones

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07bkxg7 ○○○ (33m)
20/05/2016
O'r Bae

Yn fyw o Fae Caerdydd, rhaglen sy'n edrych nôl dros hynt a helynt yr wythnos wleidyddol. Live from Cardiff Bay, a look at the week's political ups and downs.
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(There is a reason why two programmes from the same series are apparently of quite different lengths. It is to do with the way the programmes are stored on iPlayer. In the past, more often than not there would be a minute or two on either side of the actual programme. These days they seem a bit more precise about their editing, but in this case, evidently not. It's quite handy actually as you get a bit of news quite often at one end and maybe a trailer for another programme at the other. It adds variety, and it's all Welsh, so I "count" it).
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galaxyrocker
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Re: Montmorency's formerly rather intermittent Log (CY, DE, NO, [es,dk] + Celtic Team TAC_2016 + Team Nordic+SC_2016/7-i

Postby galaxyrocker » Thu Jun 09, 2016 1:52 am

Montmorency,

Have you tried Duolingo Welsh? What's your opinion of it?
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Montmorency
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Studying: Welsh (advanced beginner/intermediate);
Re-started: Norwegian ("false" beginner (?))
Back-burner: Spanish (intermediate) Danish (beginner).

Have studied: Latin, French, Italian, Dutch; OT Hebrew (briefly) NT Greek (briefly); Norwegian (superficially).
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Re: Montmorency's formerly rather intermittent Log (CY, DE, NO, [es,dk] + Celtic Team TAC_2016 + Team Nordic+SC_2016/7-i

Postby Montmorency » Thu Jun 09, 2016 9:40 am

galaxyrocker wrote:Montmorency,

Have you tried Duolingo Welsh? What's your opinion of it?


No, sorry. There is something that puts me off trying anything like Duolingo, or Memrise. I can't quite put my finger on it, but I don't plan to try it.

I've been quite happy with SSiW (which is still being developed, and by people whom I have personally got to know over the years) as an actual learning mechanism, supplemented from time to time by books by Gareth King (who occasionally pops up on the SSiW forum ... he's very learner-friendly).

I feel I'm really in the stage of mainly vocabulary-building by means of high-ish levels of native material, audio and hopefully reading, but I seem to have been neglecting reading a bit of late. (Something I'm definitely going to get back to though).

I think some people on the SSiW forum have spoken well of the Dulingo course, and also of Memrise. I'm sure it/they suit(s) some people, but I just think it's not for me.
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Montmorency
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Studying: Welsh (advanced beginner/intermediate);
Re-started: Norwegian ("false" beginner (?))
Back-burner: Spanish (intermediate) Danish (beginner).

Have studied: Latin, French, Italian, Dutch; OT Hebrew (briefly) NT Greek (briefly); Norwegian (superficially).
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Dydd Iau 9 Mehefin 2016 - Donnerstag - onsdag

Postby Montmorency » Thu Jun 09, 2016 11:53 pm

Cymraeg

Listened:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07cc16k ○○○ (27m)
Mewn neu mas?
O'r Bae
Dadleuon y ddwy ochr lai na mis cyn refferendwm yr Undeb Ewropeaidd, a sylw i dwf pleidiau'r asgell dde yn Ewrop. Political discussion with Vaughan Roderick and guests.

"Mewn neu mas" = "in or out" (of the EU, of course) - discussing the referendum. (from 27 Mai 2016)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07dwtr5 ○○○ (27m)
Gwirfoddoli
John Walter
John Walter yn holi'r cwestiynau mawr am Gymru, y Cymry a'r byd Cymreig.
John Walter asks the big questions about Wales, the Welsh and Welshness
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Discussion about volunteering - "the 3rd sector"
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Montmorency
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Studying: Welsh (advanced beginner/intermediate);
Re-started: Norwegian ("false" beginner (?))
Back-burner: Spanish (intermediate) Danish (beginner).

Have studied: Latin, French, Italian, Dutch; OT Hebrew (briefly) NT Greek (briefly); Norwegian (superficially).
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Dydd Gwener 10 Mehefin 2016 - Dydd Llun 13 Mehefin 2016

Postby Montmorency » Wed Jun 15, 2016 10:37 pm

The long weekend was taken up by travel to, from and taking part in a family gathering in the north of England, so not much chance for languages. I did manage to listen to:

Cymraeg
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07gbdkh ○○○ (~89m)
Buddugoliaeth yn Bordeaux!
Dewi Llwyd ar Fore Sul
Chwaraewr mewn ffenest fach
Dewi a'i westeion yn darlledu'n fyw o Bordeaux drannoeth y fuddugoliaeth yn erbyn Slofacia yn Euro 2016. Live from Bordeaux following Wales's Euro 2016 win against Slovakia.
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Football is not a great interest of mine, but at least it was in Welsh...

and:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07gbdl0 ○○○ (~54m)
12/06/2016
Y Talwrn, 2016
Dau dîm o feirdd yn cystadlu i gyrraedd y rownd derfynol yn Eisteddfod Genedlaethol 2016. Two teams of bards compete to win a place in the 2016 National Eisteddfod final.
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Much more up my street.

When I got back home, my parcel of books from @Alexraasch had arrived. Many thanks again Alex!!!

Despite being in the middle of another German book, I decided to plunge into one of Alex's, and got on quite well with it. More later.
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Montmorency
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Studying: Welsh (advanced beginner/intermediate);
Re-started: Norwegian ("false" beginner (?))
Back-burner: Spanish (intermediate) Danish (beginner).

Have studied: Latin, French, Italian, Dutch; OT Hebrew (briefly) NT Greek (briefly); Norwegian (superficially).
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Dydd Mawrth 14 Mehefin 2016 - Dienstag - tirsdag

Postby Montmorency » Wed Jun 15, 2016 10:44 pm

Cymraeg

Watched:-

http://www.s4c.cymru/clic/c_level2.shtm ... =529479424 ○○○ (19m)
Rownd a Rownd - 14 Mehefin 2016

Deutsch

Continuing reading "Anmerkungen zu Hitler" von Sebastian Haffner (one of Alex's books).
("Der Geteilte Himmel" von Christa Wolf is temporarily parked, although I don't have far to go to finish it).
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Montmorency
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Studying: Welsh (advanced beginner/intermediate);
Re-started: Norwegian ("false" beginner (?))
Back-burner: Spanish (intermediate) Danish (beginner).

Have studied: Latin, French, Italian, Dutch; OT Hebrew (briefly) NT Greek (briefly); Norwegian (superficially).
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Dydd Gwener 15 Mehefin 2016 - Mittwoch - onsdag

Postby Montmorency » Wed Jun 15, 2016 11:06 pm

Cymraeg

Listened to:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07gbjp0 ○○○ (26m)
Byw yn Ewrop
John Walter
Trafodaeth am fyw yn Ewrop ar drothwy refferendwm yr UE. Rhidian Jones, Lara Catrin a Dr Marion Loeffler sy'n ymuno â John. A discussion on living in Europe.
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Deutsch

As yesterday.
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Montmorency
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Re-started: Norwegian ("false" beginner (?))
Back-burner: Spanish (intermediate) Danish (beginner).

Have studied: Latin, French, Italian, Dutch; OT Hebrew (briefly) NT Greek (briefly); Norwegian (superficially).
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Dydd Iau 16 Mehefin 2016 - Donnerstag - torsdag

Postby Montmorency » Thu Jun 16, 2016 3:15 pm

Deutsch

Finished reading:

"Anmerkung zu Hitler" von Sebastian Haffner, 1978, Kindler Verlag. I estimated it at about 47,500 words, or about 155 pages at 300 wpp.
(rounded down slightly).

Also finally finished "Der Geteilte Himmel" von Christa Wolf, DTV, 35th edition 2001 (first published 1963).
I estimated it as 68,500 words or about 225 pages at 300 wpp
(rounded down slightly).

I didn't use a dictionary for either of the above, or use the translation that I have of "Der Geteilte Himmel" (although I had read the translation beforehand). I will probably go over both of them and look up at least a selection of words.

I have one more, or possibly two, other books by Wolf that I want to read. It's a pity that they are a bit downbeat. :)

Update:
Cymraeg

Watched:

http://www.s4c.cymru/clic/c_level2.shtm ... =529479445 (19m)
Rownd a Rownd - 16 Mehefin 2016
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Also re-watched http://www.s4c.cymru/clic/c_level2.shtm ... =529479424 - 14 Mehefin 2016 (19m)

Update:
Listened to:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07gbld1 ○○○ (27m)
C'mon Reff!
Y seren roc a'r pêl-droediwr Yws Gwynedd sy'n cymharu'r gwahaniaeth rhwng dyfarnwyr pêl-droed a rygbi. A programme comparing football and rugby referees.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07gbfdz ○○○ (27m)
PPM Technology
Gari Wyn
Hanes cwmni technoleg prysur sy'n cynhyrchu yng Nghaernarfon, ond yn gwerthu i'r byd. Beth yw'r farn yno am ddyfodol yr Undeb Ewropeaidd? Gari visits PPM Technology in Caernarfon.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07gbfwn ○○○ (~60m)
13/06/2016
Dan yr Wyneb gyda Dylan Iorwerth
Dylan Iorwerth yn gofyn y cwestiynau mawr ac yn mynd dan wyneb pynciau cyfoes. Dylan Iorwerth asks the big questions and addresses current issues.
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Montmorency
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Studying: Welsh (advanced beginner/intermediate);
Re-started: Norwegian ("false" beginner (?))
Back-burner: Spanish (intermediate) Danish (beginner).

Have studied: Latin, French, Italian, Dutch; OT Hebrew (briefly) NT Greek (briefly); Norwegian (superficially).
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Dydd Gwener 17 Mehefin 2016 - Freitag - fredag

Postby Montmorency » Fri Jun 17, 2016 5:35 pm

Deutsch

Fortnightly conversation group, this week with two other learners plus the native speaking leader / tutor. (~120m).

Cymraeg
Listened to:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07gbkwg ○○○ (~33m)
17/06/2016
O'r Bae
Vaughan Roderick a'i westeion yn ymateb i lofruddiaeth Jo Cox yn ei hetholaeth yn Lloegr. Vaughan Roderick and guests react to the murder of Jo Cox MP in her constituency.

Weekly political discussion programme.

Update
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07gblcv ○○○ (26m)
Pennod 1
Clwb Ffermwyr Ifanc yn 80
Joy Cornock ar daith gyda Ffermwyr Ifanc Cymru wrth i'r mudiad ddathlu 80 mlynedd. Wales Young Farmers' Club celebrates its eightieth anniversary.

About Young Farmer's Clubs in Wales. I had never given them much thought, but they sound like a worthwhile institution. I should imagine that the life of a farmer in Wales, especially in the remote places that Wales is rich in, can be pretty lonely, so this fulfils a real need in a creative way.

Not Quite Danish
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/dicte-crime-reporter (83m)
New one on me, but it's up to episode 3 already. Quite good, I thought. A couple of ex-"Borgen" politicians are among the cast of players. :)
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Montmorency
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Studying: Welsh (advanced beginner/intermediate);
Re-started: Norwegian ("false" beginner (?))
Back-burner: Spanish (intermediate) Danish (beginner).

Have studied: Latin, French, Italian, Dutch; OT Hebrew (briefly) NT Greek (briefly); Norwegian (superficially).
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Dydd Sadwrn - 18 Mehefin 2016 - Samstag - lørdag

Postby Montmorency » Sat Jun 18, 2016 4:40 pm

Cymraeg
Listened to:-
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07dwyrf ○○○ (26m)
Pennod 1
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07gblcz ○○○ (26m)
Pennod 2
Cwis y Clybiau
Chwaraewr mewn ffenest fach
Elen Pencwm yn herio cymeriadau Clybiau Ffermwyr Ifanc Cymru mewn cyfres cwis gomedi. Comedy quiz series.
With Young Farmers. New to me. Sounded quite good. South Wales Welsh-oriented, I thought, but OK.
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○○○○○○ Hyfryd!


Not Quite French

Watched (mainly because our daughter was here and she has been following it) the last 2 episodes of "The Disappearance" on BBC4 TV.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/b05rcz9v
I hadn't watched it, because the beginning seemed too dark for me, but I can see now that it was a fine series. Some resonances with "The Killing".

French? Oui, French. I used to have a real love affair with French. I never actually fell out of love with it, but it got displaced by German, and I didn't have the capacity to proceed with both languages to a higher level at the same time, and German won out. I can still "get by" in French, but I will never be great in it. I'd like to get back into watching more French movies though.

Cymraeg Unwaith eto
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07gbdkm ○○○ (56m)
Rhuanedd Richards
Beti a'i Phobol
Beti George yn holi Rhuanedd Richards wrth i'w chyfnod yn brif weithredwr Plaid Cymru ddod i ben. Beti George interviews Rhuanedd Richards (Chief Executive, just coming to end of her term).
(Nice clear speaking).
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