Jeffers' German, French and Hindi

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Re: Jeffers' German, French and Hindi

Postby Klara » Thu May 21, 2020 8:56 am

Feeling the need to try something more, yesterday I found a website of dictées en français: https://dictee.orthodidacte.com/. The guy reads the text on a video and you type what you hear in a text box. Press the button at the end and it shows you your errors! I did one dictée in the morning, made about 8-9 mistakes, did the same dictée in the afternoon and got it 100% correct. I completed a dictée for primary children, but the site also has FLE dictées, so I may do them a few times per week.

Thank you very much for this link! The dictées are great and because of the automatic correction, I am going to use this site a lot. :D
It fits so nicely into my French study routine.
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Re: Jeffers' German, French and Hindi

Postby jeffers » Fri May 22, 2020 11:56 am

One good result of the Super Challenge is that I'm feeling the need to do more formal study in all three of my languages alongside all of the reading/watching/listening I've been doing. E.g. work on one of my textbooks or workbooks. However, I don't really want to just "dabble" because in my experience, doing the odd lesson here or there does not produce the same effect as using a resource consistently for a period of time (even as little as a week). So I'd like to pick a primary resource to use a bit every day, which could be supplemented by other resources on an ad hoc basis. However, I think I can only do this properly with one of my languages at a time.

I thought I would lay out my options so that I could see them all together and make a good choice. My intention would be to do grammar work on one language for at least 2 weeks, after which I may continue with the same or switch to one of the others.

Hindi
Assimil Hindi is an obvious choice here. I'm about halfway through, and gained a lot from using it as an advanced beginner/lower intermediate.
Teach Yourself Hindi by Rupert Snell would be another good option. Quite a good textbook and could fit the need more closely as I'm looking for a grammatical resource to support all the reading/watching/listening. I've gotten to chapter 12 or 13 of 18, and I've always meant to get it finished one day!

German
Assimil is my go to option for German as well. I've made good progress since January and would like to see it through.
Teach Yourself-- I have both Teach Yourself Beginner's German and Teach Yourself German. Maybe one of these would do the job of being a more grammar focused study alongside my Super Challenge.
Michel Thomas-- I have the full original course: Basic, Advanced, Vocabulary. I worked through the basic course 10-12 years ago, but never got into the advanced course. I could do a quick review of the basic course and then work carefully through the advanced one.

French
I have many viable choices here:
Assimil In May I started a review of French basics using the old 1950s French Without Toil, getting up to about chapter 20. It was quite good to do, but the grammar notes are incredibly brief so that wouldn't serve my current purpose. I've been considering doing a thorough review of New French with Ease, including doing an active wave at the right time. I could also just start up with Using French, but maybe not right away because what I really want is a review of the basics.
Hugo French in 3 Months is an excellent book which covers the basics quite thoroughly. When I was last using it I stopped in the middle of week 9 out of 12. At the time I was making Anki cards of all of the example sentences from week 7 onward. I definitely want to finish this some time and then move on to the advanced book.
Grammaire progressive du français (niveau intermédiaire). Despite being intermediate, it starts with beginner topics such as conjugations and adjective agreements. No doubt this is an excellent and thorough resource.
Kwiziq is something I signed up for years ago, and then tried again once a month ago. A lot of French learners on this forum really like it. The downside is that you really have to pay for a membership to get much out of it, since the free version only gives 10 free quizzes per month and I could see using that up in a couple of days. What I really like about it is that it focuses very firmly on specific skills and testing those skills. It will then recommend lessons based on your weaknesses rather than make you keep doing things you're good at.



So there it is, all laid out. I've decided to start with French, and that for the next couple of days I will give Kwiziq a good try. If I like it enough, I will consider buying a 3 months subscription (which doesn't stop me taking breaks for my other two languages).
EDIT: in part, my decision is based on the positive reviews of Kwiziq from this thread: https://forum.language-learners.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=14608.
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Re: Jeffers' German, French and Hindi

Postby DaveAgain » Fri May 22, 2020 1:37 pm

jeffers wrote:German
Assimil is my go to option for German as well. I've made good progress since January and would like to see it through.
Teach Yourself-- I have both Teach Yourself Beginner's German and Teach Yourself German. Maybe one of these would do the job of being a more grammar focused study alongside my Super Challenge.
I was looking at grammar courses the other day, TY have one by Jennifer Russ (published under various titles). If you're only looking for grammar, you might want to check your local library's catalogue for that.
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Re: Jeffers' German, French and Hindi

Postby jeffers » Fri May 22, 2020 2:00 pm

DaveAgain wrote:
jeffers wrote:German
Assimil is my go to option for German as well. I've made good progress since January and would like to see it through.
Teach Yourself-- I have both Teach Yourself Beginner's German and Teach Yourself German. Maybe one of these would do the job of being a more grammar focused study alongside my Super Challenge.
I was looking at grammar courses the other day, TY have one by Jennifer Russ (published under various titles). If you're only looking for grammar, you might want to check your local library's catalogue for that.



That looks like a good suggestion. Jenny Russ seems to have two books currently in print: German Grammar You Really Need To Know: Teach Yourself (2012) and Essential German Grammar: Teach Yourself (2011). I can't tell if they're the same book with different packaging, but when you go to Teach Yourself German Grammar on Amazon it says that Essential German Grammar is the newer edition of the original. Does anyone know what's what with these books?
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Re: Jeffers' German, French and Hindi

Postby DaveAgain » Fri May 22, 2020 2:07 pm

jeffers wrote:
DaveAgain wrote:I was looking at grammar courses the other day, TY have one by Jennifer Russ (published under various titles). If you're only looking for grammar, you might want to check your local library's catalogue for that.



That looks like a good suggestion. Jenny Russ seems to have two books currently in print: German Grammar You Really Need To Know: Teach Yourself (2012) and Essential German Grammar: Teach Yourself (2011). I can't tell if they're the same book with different packaging, but when you go to Teach Yourself German Grammar on Amazon it says that Essential German Grammar is the newer edition of the original. Does anyone know what's what with these books?
I think TY just reissue them with different titles for marketing purposes. Chung mentioned Enjoy German has the same content as Improve your German, Perfect your German etc.

I wouldn't bother buying one though. Your library will have something, and if not the TY books you already have do cover grammar. I just thought a purpose build course (if easily available) would be simpler.
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Re: Jeffers' German, French and Hindi

Postby jeffers » Fri May 22, 2020 4:27 pm

DaveAgain wrote:
jeffers wrote:
DaveAgain wrote:I was looking at grammar courses the other day, TY have one by Jennifer Russ (published under various titles). If you're only looking for grammar, you might want to check your local library's catalogue for that.



That looks like a good suggestion. Jenny Russ seems to have two books currently in print: German Grammar You Really Need To Know: Teach Yourself (2012) and Essential German Grammar: Teach Yourself (2011). I can't tell if they're the same book with different packaging, but when you go to Teach Yourself German Grammar on Amazon it says that Essential German Grammar is the newer edition of the original. Does anyone know what's what with these books?
I think TY just reissue them with different titles for marketing purposes. Chung mentioned Enjoy German has the same content as Improve your German, Perfect your German etc.

I wouldn't bother buying one though. Your library will have something, and if not the TY books you already have do cover grammar. I just thought a purpose build course (if easily available) would be simpler.


I don't think my local libraries are open. But the two grammars by Russ I mentioned are each £3.99 on kindle, so not breaking the bank. I've just gotten samples of both on my kindle, so I'll have a look and see what difference there is between them.
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Re: Jeffers' German, French and Hindi

Postby jeffers » Sat May 23, 2020 4:25 pm

This is a French Kwiziq specific update, nothing about my Super Challenge or other languages.

I did a lot of work yesterday on the A0 lessons on Kwiziq. I knew almost everything, but there were are a few things I didn't know, or didn't know very well. For example, I had no idea how to write the date in French although I'd probably read it hundreds of times. The 23rd of May is le 23 mai, just for the record. I also knew a few of the adjectives that come before nouns, but I didn't really know the whole list and the cases in which even those adjectives follow a noun. Thanks to several years of reading, I had a good sense for these, but it is one of those little things that needs to be nailed down firmly at some point! So I did read every lesson through carefully, and watched most of the linked youtube videos on the topics.

In the last day and a half I've essentially completed the A0 section, bringing my overall score up to 89.31%. Looking at progress by area, all the bars are solid green, and looking at the brainmap everything is green or light green. That's good enough to move onto the A1 lessons. I'm starting the A1 lessons with a score of 7.50%, and with the progress bars all mostly grey. There are a lot more lessons in A1 (134 lessons compared to 28 in A0), and probably a lot more of the little bits of usage that I'm shaky on, so this will take a lot longer than A0.

I'm thinking that now that I'll be getting into the "serious" points of beginner grammar, I will refer to Grammaire progressive du français for some of the topics, and do the exercises.

EDIT: I meant to include print screens of my mind map for A0/A1 and my progress bars for A2.
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Re: Jeffers' German, French and Hindi

Postby jeffers » Sat May 30, 2020 12:02 pm

I didn't do as much with my languages this week because Epic Games gave away Civilization VI for free. There were a couple of nights when I didn't go to bed until morning light! I enjoy the game, but I'm a bit disappointed that the free giveaway coincided with my free week on Kwiziq. Guess which one lost out? :lol:

Speaking of Kwiziq, I got to a bit of frustration with two A1 topics: adjectives that come before the noun, and genders of countries (and the related topic of when to use en, dans, etc with places, which was a problem only because I don't know all the genders). Due to lots of input I already knew without really trying most of the adjectives that come before a noun, but a couple of them tripped me up. I've added these lessons to my Kwiziq notebook, but I think I also need to take some notes on paper to help consolidate my knowledge. One problem with Kwiziq is there doesn't seem to be a way to practice a topic, because the quizzes will just have one or two from each topic. What they need is a way to drill a single topic.

The good news is that despite not doing much reading this week, I am still on target for all three of my languages. And my DVDs of season 3 of Agatha Christie's Criminal Games aka Les Petits Meurtres d'Agatha Christie arrived today, so I have something new to get stuck into.
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Re: Jeffers' German, French and Hindi

Postby jeffers » Fri Jul 03, 2020 11:35 am

I've been absent from the forums for a good 3-4 weeks, simply because I didn't have the "brain space" to keep up with it. However, I'm still keeping up with my 3 languages, and am on track with my French full SC and my German and Hindi half SCs. And, as ever, dissatisfied with my progress.

Edit: In particular, I've read about half of La femme au carnet rouge and I'm bothered by my level of comprehension, especially as I remember finding Le chapeau de Mitterand by the same author relatively simple a couple years ago. I think this one has more "musings" and less simple narrative compared to the other. But still, I feel like I should find this easier by now! Having said that, I know that after a few more months of reading for the Super Challenge it will seem a lot easier. When I finish La femme, I'll read some Petit Nicolas to refresh my mood, and then read Le chapeau again to see how it goes.
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