Japanese listening from nothing: 2020 Log

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Re: Japanese listening from nothing: 2020 Log

Postby golyplot » Thu Feb 20, 2020 3:15 am

vonPeterhof wrote:I'm not familiar with the content of WK, but the kanji 貰 is outside the Japanese school program, and seeing the word written as 貰う is actually somewhat uncommon, especially when it's used as an auxiliary verb. Tae Kim's grammar guide has some examples of how it's used, although it's sort of tacked on as an afterthought in a lesson mainly dealing with the verbs あげる and くれる.


I'll admit I don't actually know anything about how common that kanji is. I just assumed it was common because that's what turned up when I googled "もらった".
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Re: Japanese listening from nothing: 2020 Log

Postby golyplot » Fri Feb 21, 2020 2:39 pm

I gave up on the graded readers last night. Ever since I finished Colors and Flowers last week and moved on to the adventures of Ai-chan, I haven't been able to understand any of it. I think the challenge is finding things that are aimed at Japanese learners rather than Japanese children.

I was pretty proud of how well I was doing on WK yesterday, but this morning, I had a pretty bad session where I missed a bunch of kanji I knew due to carelessness. Normally when I start missing a lot of reviews, I'll just take a quick break and do the rest of the reviews later to get out of the rut and do it in a better mood, but this morning I stubbornly persisted because I wanted to get the level up out of the way and start the next as soon as possible. Oh well, at least I did level up.
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Re: Japanese listening from nothing: 2020 Log

Postby crush » Fri Feb 21, 2020 10:17 pm

Yeah, on it's own it can mean to receive something, but it can also be used similar to how あげる and くれる are used, showing someone did something for you. Japanese Ammo has a video on it, too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp-2PNSANJ8
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Re: Japanese listening from nothing: 2020 Log

Postby golyplot » Sun Feb 23, 2020 2:58 am

I haven't been doing as much Japanese as I'd like lately because I keep getting distracted by Magic: The Gathering. It's so hard to resist the temptation to spend my time thinking and reading about MTG instead.

Anyway, tonight it finally happened: I missed a level radical on WK. The good news is that there is still a margin of error in the system. You can miss up to three kanji and still level, and only one of the kanji requires the radical I missed, so I effectively just have two "lives" left instead of three. If I manage to make it through the rest of the level without too many mistakes, I can still level on time. I just have to be even more careful than I usually am.
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Re: Japanese listening from nothing: 2020 Log

Postby dampingwire » Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:34 pm

golyplot wrote:I haven't been doing as much Japanese as I'd like lately because I keep getting distracted by Magic: The Gathering. It's so hard to resist the temptation to spend my time thinking and reading about MTG instead.


Why resist? :-)

(I know nothing about MTG - but the words match and it's in Japanese so what have you got to lose :-))
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Re: Japanese listening from nothing: 2020 Log

Postby golyplot » Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:21 pm

Now that I've enlightened my first kanji on WK, my kanji chart is starting to look a bit more colorful.

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I learned Nagoya on WK this morning, which I'd never heard of, unlike Tokyo and Kyoto. To be fair, the only reason I'd heard of Kyoto prior to studying Japanese was due to the Kyoto Protocol. Unfortunately, my non-WK studies are pretty much stalled.
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Re: Japanese listening from nothing: 2020 Log

Postby golyplot » Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:19 pm

I've been feeling a bit discouraged and haven't done much Japanese lately. Even WK was beginning to feel more like an obligation than a fun challenge. So when I saw 129 reviews this morning, I was prepared for a grueling slog. Instead, I got them right, and again, and again. I just kept doing everything perfectly. It was surreal. I didn't miss a single question until around two thirds of the way through the review session. I ended up missing several more towards the end, but it was still very impressive.

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Re: Japanese listening from nothing: 2020 Log

Postby golyplot » Mon Mar 02, 2020 2:29 pm

I've been getting a little discouraged again.

I watched the Cure Dolly video about how to tell apart transitive vs intransitive verbs after I saw it recommended online, and I think it will be helpful. I'd sort of noticed these patterns already, but I never really realized they were explicit common patterns I should be looking out for. It should definitely help with keeping them straight in the future. On the other hand, I found Cure Dolly's voice to be indistinct and a struggle to follow, so I probably won't be watching any more of her videos. I think she really needs to work on the quality of the recording.




In case anyone is curious, I've so far watched the first nine videos in Misa's Grammar Lessons for Absolute Beginners series. I haven't been keeping up with that as much as I should. I haven't been doing much of anything lately apart from continuing WK.
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Re: Japanese listening from nothing: 2020 Log

Postby golyplot » Fri Mar 06, 2020 4:32 pm

Unfortunately, I've been bitten a lot with procrastination and distraction, so I haven't done much lately besides continuing WK.

There's a bit of a paradox where whenever I try something, I want to do something else. It's hard to remember the WK vocab without seeming them in usage in the wild, but it's also hard to read native content when you don't know the words and grammar, and likewise for listening practice and grammar.

This morning, I decided to try reading NHK News Easy. I was pleasantly surprised that I could recognize many of the words, although I still couldn't actually understand anything. Like, I see 中国と韓国から来る人は国が決めた所に2週間いてもらう, and I can tell that it is something about China and Korea and a decision and a week, but I still can't actually understand it. Reading Japanese is like puzzling over a Sudoku puzzle where half the clues are missing. But I suppose if I keep at it long enough and keep looking up words and grammar, it will get easier.

P.S. It sure is a pain to remove the ruby from copy pasted text. If only there was a way to copy them without it. I'm surprised computers can't handle that yet in this day and age.
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Re: Japanese listening from nothing: 2020 Log

Postby ryanheise » Fri Mar 06, 2020 11:33 pm

golyplot wrote:P.S. It sure is a pain to remove the ruby from copy pasted text. If only there was a way to copy them without it. I'm surprised computers can't handle that yet in this day and age.


Someone should make a greasemonkey script for this. But until then, I can think of two DIY approaches.

Approach #1: Vim

(Edit: As ロータス discovered, you can actually just copy and paste directly from the webpage into ANY text editor, or this forum post box, or a Gmail compose window, etc. etc. and it will remove the ruby. I would recommend that approach, although the approaches below might still be useful in the context of scripting and automation.)

if you have the Vim text editor, you can do quite powerful text manipulations, for example, remove ruby.

If you select the text on the webpage, then right-click and view selection source (in Firefox at least), then copy that section of HTML, then paste it into Vim (here's where you will really get stuck if don't know how to use Vim), then run this command to remove the ruby tags:

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:%s/<rt>.\{-}<\/rt>//g|%s/<.\{-}>//g


You can set a hotkey to do these commands in a single keystroke.

Approach #2: Javascript console

In firefox, if you hit Ctrl+Shift+I, it brings up the developer tools. From there, click the "Console" tab where you can type some code, and type this:

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var rts = document.getElementsByTagName("rt");
while (rts.length > 0) rts[0].parentNode.removeChild(rts[0]);


The ruby will be removed from the page in place.

(Edit: I also recommend the copy and paste technique over this one. Although if you are thinking of writing a browser extension or Greasemonkey script, the above code is exactly what you'd need to get started.)
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