Learning Japanese from zero by listening: 2020 Log

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Re: Learning Japanese from zero by listening: 2020 Log

Postby golyplot » Mon Oct 12, 2020 3:19 am

I've mostly been ignoring Japanese lately, but tonight I did watch the first episode of Cannon Busters. As usual, I was kind of zoned out for most of it, but the show is mostly fight scenes anyway, so the dialog isn't that important. However, there was one moment that caught my ear.

When they put the counterfeit coin in Bessy, I thought I heard the word "gisou" (偽装), which I recently learned on Wanikani. However, Wanikani taught it as "camouflage", not "counterfeit". (Incidentally, I never knew how to spell camouflage correctly in English before hitting that exercise.) However, after reviewing the Japanese subtitles for the scene, I realized the word was actually "gizou" (偽造), which I also learned in the same lesson on Wanikani as "forgery". Forgery makes a lot more sense here than camouflage.

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In other news, I read an article about how Satou is the most common family name in Japan. It mentioned that there's often multiple Satous at a school, which causes issues. I never thought about it before, but it does make sense when pointed out. Having multiple people with the same family name in Japan would be similar to having multiple people with the same first name in the west. Except possibly worse, because over here, it's common to disambiguate by using the full name or initial, whereas using the first name for disambiguation would presumably be considered infeasibly rude in Japan.
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Re: Learning Japanese from zero by listening: 2020 Log

Postby vonPeterhof » Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:19 am

golyplot wrote:In other news, I read an article about how Satou is the most common family name in Japan. It mentioned that there's often multiple Satous at a school, which causes issues. I never thought about it before, but it does make sense when pointed out. Having multiple people with the same family name in Japan would be similar to having multiple people with the same first name in the west. Except possibly worse, because over here, it's common to disambiguate by using the full name or initial, whereas using the first name for disambiguation would presumably be considered infeasibly rude in Japan.


At one point we actually had three Satous in my department at work. People used various ways of disambiguating them, but most commonly we would default to referring to the most senior of them by surname+rank and the two others by their full names. Using just the first name wasn't entirely out of the question, just heavily dependent on the situation and the people involved.
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Re: Learning Japanese from zero by listening: 2020 Log

Postby golyplot » Mon Oct 12, 2020 3:14 pm

This morning, I watched the Advanced Skit in Lesson 2 of Erin's Challenge. The one part that stuck out at me was a moment where Kenta is shown weaving between groups of students who are sitting on the floor eating, blocking most of the hallway. I can't imagine something like that happening at an American school.

Do Japanese schools not have dedicated spaces for eating? All the schools I've seen in the US had giant cafeteria rooms for that purpose. Come to think of it, I don't recall seeing anything like a cafeteria in Cardcaptor Sakura. But in the rare cases where they were shown eating, it was always outdoors scattered among the school grounds, not blocking the hallways like in the skit from Erin's Challenge.

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Re: Learning Japanese from zero by listening: 2020 Log

Postby vonPeterhof » Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:31 pm

golyplot wrote:Do Japanese schools not have dedicated spaces for eating? All the schools I've seen in the US had giant cafeteria rooms for that purpose. Come to think of it, I don't recall seeing anything like a cafeteria in Cardcaptor Sakura. But in the rare cases where they were shown eating, it was always outdoors scattered among the school grounds, not blocking the hallways like in the skit from Erin's Challenge.

From what I've managed to glean from anime and manga most Japanese schools do have cafeterias, but lunch in there isn't free, so a lot of students prefer to bring their own lunches from home, and going to sit in the cafeteria with your own food tends to be either prohibited or frowned upon. Students with their own lunches will generally eat it in their classrooms during winter or somewhere on the grounds when it's warmer (what's shown in the skit seems like a bit of a middle ground variant, a balcony walkway behind the classrooms). There's also the notorious phenomenon of students (and even some adults at their workplaces) who have no close friends developing a complex about being seen eating lunch all alone and ending up eating in restroom stalls.
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Re: Learning Japanese from zero by listening: 2020 Log

Postby golyplot » Wed Oct 14, 2020 3:00 am

While watching ep2 of Cannon Busters, I noticed that Joe-Bob had what sounded like a European accent to me. Can anyone more skilled at Japanese tell whether he actually had an accent and if so what kind?

Also, I watched another Natsuki Hanae video today. I couldn't understand much and didn't know anything about the game, but I still laughed quite a bit at their antics, and I did manage to occasionally understand a word or two.

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Re: Learning Japanese from zero by listening: 2020 Log

Postby 白田龍 » Wed Oct 14, 2020 11:07 am

golyplot wrote:While watching ep2 of Cannon Busters, I noticed that Joe-Bob had what sounded like a European accent to me.


Anime gangsters have a special dialect, which he uses, (a thrilled r (rrrrrr), has been called a yakuza accent), but on top of that, I felt he was made to sound unintellingent, in a very exagerated fashion.
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Re: Learning Japanese from zero by listening: 2020 Log

Postby golyplot » Wed Oct 14, 2020 1:00 pm

白田龍 wrote:Anime gangsters have a special dialect, which he uses, (a thrilled r (rrrrrr), has been called a yakuza accent), but on top of that, I felt he was made to sound unintellingent, in a very exagerated fashion.


Ah, that would explain it. I tend to associate the trilled r with Italians or the like, but it seemed odd.
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Re: Learning Japanese from zero by listening: 2020 Log

Postby golyplot » Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:54 am

My Japanese studies have been going very slowly due to limited time an energy, especially as WK takes the lion share of that. I decided to try to look up the unknown grammar points in the EC lesson 2 Advanced Skit. However, I'm puzzled by the very first scene.

おじさん: ごめんね。やきそばパン、終わっちゃったなあ。ごめんね。

This line has two grammar points I looked up: ちゃった and なあ. From what I've read, these are both very casual forms, so I'm confused about why they would be used in this situation. Of course, the explanations I found for the meaning were also pretty vague.
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Re: Learning Japanese from zero by listening: 2020 Log

Postby dampingwire » Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:19 pm

golyplot wrote:I decided to try to look up the unknown grammar points in the EC lesson 2 Advanced Skit. However, I'm puzzled by the very first scene.

おじさん: ごめんね。やきそばパン、終わっちゃったなあ。ごめんね。

This line has two grammar points I looked up: ちゃった and なあ. From what I've read, these are both very casual forms, so I'm confused about why they would be used in this situation. Of course, the explanations I found for the meaning were also pretty vague.


I don't know the context but does this help with the meaning: http://maggiesensei.com/2010/09/14/requ ... au-chatta/ ?
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Re: Learning Japanese from zero by listening: 2020 Log

Postby golyplot » Thu Oct 15, 2020 5:11 pm

dampingwire wrote:I don't know the context but does this help with the meaning: http://maggiesensei.com/2010/09/14/requ ... au-chatta/ ?


That was the page I found when searching.
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