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Re: Finally, the log I have wanted to start for years!

Postby Cavesa » Fri Jun 21, 2019 11:48 pm

Lawyer&Mom wrote:Three days of testing in France? Is this to be qualified as a French doctor? Do you already do the testing to be qualified as a Czech doctor, or not is that not required? Explain! This is so interesting.


My Czech testing is finished, that's what was mentioned at the beginning of this log. I am just waiting to be officially given my diploma. I am a doctor with the right to apply for any beginning doctor job in this country, and sign up for the relevant education program (=the chosen circle of hell) for that specialisation. If only I wanted one, which is not the case. They'd also take me in a few other countries without any huge exam, if I started normal job hunting. What job, that would depend, I don't have any illusions about the best German hospitals just waiting for me :-D

In France, and some other countries, there is a sorting exam. The French one takes three days (and the whole preparation and the studies centered around it are a huge deal). Depending on the results, the best people take their pick from a long list, then everybody else from what is left. Until the last one. Which is likely to be me, as I had been wasting so much time on the Czech exams, which are full of useless lists of irrelevant stuff, with some obsolete bits, and no practical application (which is extremely important in the French exams), and also dealing with too much other stuff. My preparation was far from ideal. And I was even making stupid mistakes in the exam, like crossing the right answer and then second guessing and checking a complete nonsense instead. But it is possible to take a definitely not my dream job, use it as experience (which I need a lot!), prepare in the free time (which is gonna be hard, but subjectively still easier than during my studies), and retake the exam.

And should I find out I don't like medicine at all and it is not just the fault of the healthcare system in my country and the horrible faculty (my Erasmus in France was basically the only time, at which I truly enjoyed medicine and thought it could be a good future), I can try something else. There are tons of things to do outside of medicine. I definitely do not regret having "wasted" a lot of time on my languages instead of being focused 100% just on medicine. :-) The only thing I regret in this area is not having taken more language exams and learnt at least German properly, while I had the time. I could have been much more advanced by now. :-)
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Re: Finally, the log I have wanted to start for years!

Postby MorkTheFiddle » Sat Jun 22, 2019 2:34 am

So you are now truly in fact Dr. Cavesa. 8-) A couple of my friends used to teach A&P, which is how we here abbreviate Anatomy and Physiology, and getting through that in itself is a major accomplishment, it seems to me. But you have done the whole nine yards, as we say. I mean, you yourself often tell people what they have done in language studies is "awesome." And it is true, what some language learners do, including yourself, is awesome. But your becoming a doctor is also equally awesome. I don't know what else to say. :)
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Postby rdearman » Sat Jun 22, 2019 10:35 am

For me A&P is airframe and powerplant. Lol
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Re: Finally, the log I have wanted to start for years!

Postby Cavesa » Sat Jun 22, 2019 2:17 pm

airframe and powerplant sounds fascinating! :-D
Yeah, I am actually MUDr. Cavesa now. But this forum is one of the few places I've never wanted to flood with my title (but other than that, I'll use it ad nauseam. That nausea being everybody else's :-D ) Medicinae Universae Doctor. However, I won't be writing it to my name in France, the rules are different there.
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As to the assorted cultural notes from my recent "holiday". As usual, I could compare that lots of things go to the Czech Republic very slowly. Such as music. I wonder when will some hits become "absolutely new hits" here. :-D Really, France and Germany share at least a part of those, others are limited to a country. But the last line of mountains to this country seems to be very hard to get through for anything :-D
So, at the risk of presenting you what you already know, I'd like to mention a few songs that cought my attention on the radio:

Clara Luciani-La Grenade. It is a good pop song that you could imagine at a party. It is also one leading to various misheard lyrics (the youtube discussion really gave me some confidence back :-D ). But the real lyrics are about the breast cancer. Before this woman, making a parallel between the tumour and grenade, and pointing out the fight and courage of the patients, the only one I remember touching this subject in music is Anastacia (you may remember her Sick and tired, which was about the illness and chemo). Getting this subject on a radio and into our heads, and in this form, that is a wonderful feat. And it is a good song, fulfilling the qualities expected in this genre. And I love the singer's voice!!!

Lauren Daigle-You Say: I couldn't believe this was not Adele at first. The voice is almost as good (at least in this song, I guess we all know the recording studio can improve stuff and that one song may not represent what is typical of the artist), the song is similar in style. But I wouldn't try to accuse the artist of copying Adele. I think it is a good quality song, with not bad lyrics. And a pleasure to listen to.

Maitre Gims et Vianney: La même. I know, some people may not like Gims, both due to the style of some of the songs (I don't like some of them either but love others and his voice) and lyrics that are sometimes a bit controversial. Vianney is more of a universally likeable boy. Together, they've created a song, the text of which is about accepting people and not judging them too harshly. And more importantly, I find the song to be good pop music.
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Re: Finally, the log I have wanted to start for years!

Postby Cavesa » Sat Jun 22, 2019 4:25 pm

A piece of wisdom from a completely language unrelated website (I've known that for years, just couldn't find that great words for it):
"The thing about spreadsheets is, they won't show any progress if the only progress you've made is on your latest spreadsheet." :-D so true. And it reminds me of not making too detailed learning plans now. I'd like to take this easy, in a realistic way, and see how far I get.

A few things I need to keep on mind though:
-I won't have that much time at least in the year to come. No point in starting ten exotic languages. But completing a Lingodeer or something like that is fun and not harmful.
-I have finally got the opportunity to finish some of my hyperold goals. That might feel better than completely new plans. My life is gonna be adventurous enough!
-It is so awesome to not feel like procrastinating!!! Yes, some of my procrastination methods helped a lot (like tv series binging), but it is time to balance this out.
-I am almost sure to go to France for my residency. That means the pressure to speed up my German is gone. Sure, I still want that language! But no big pressure!


So, my "plan" number 1: Spanish, the oldest "unfinished" language on the list
What is it's current condition: Passive approximately C1, active B2ish. It is a language, with which I have disappointed myself so many times. I failed to take the DELE, I failed to finally get to the needed level. It is the language I mix with my much weaker Italian (when trying to speak Italian, not the opposite usually).

So, what am I going to do:

The first coursebook on the list is Método 3, something I started a long time ago. It is passively very easy, actively sometimes easy, sometimes a bit challenging.

The first digital tool is surprisingly Duolingo. Yes, there are lots of problems with Duo, and the tree really doesn't look that professional, I feel a bit like a beta tester (most mistakes of mine are alternative versions or English problems :-D ). But it is a review of the very basic stuff that is not treated in the intermediate coursebooks or normal media much, especially vocabulary. The improved amount of vocab and some quite good sentences make this worth it, on top of nostalgia. And I simply want to finish this and let it go :-D Then I'll pay for Kwiziq again, but only when I'll have finished the next 509 crowns. With testing out, it goes fast. But getting wrong answers unfairly is annoying. The new content of the course is good, don't get me wrong, and it would be great if the next update covered the B1 level. However, it is very slow going, and I really think the so called "professionals" making it have been very sloppy in some ways (the people in need of hints and tips have them only for half the tree, the reporting gets reactions later than in some of the volunteer threads, some of the "mistakes" are ridiculous).

Number 3: thinking about ankiing some stuff. Adding the not that automatic vocab from courses I have covered already might be a good idea.

Number 4: reading, but you already know this part of my plan.

Time frame: none, at least for now. Should I have the money and time, I'll try SIELE in a few months. To break that curse of simply never getting to the exam :-D
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Re: Finally, the log I have wanted to start for years!

Postby Skynet » Sat Jun 22, 2019 7:29 pm

Congratulations, Cavesa! You were the person who inspired me to actually start learning languages! When I read your log, I asked myself, "If a person in med school can juggle several languages, why can't I learn French?" I look forward to reading about your next life adventure cough, GERMAN, cough!
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Re: Finally, the log I have wanted to start for years!

Postby badger » Sat Jun 22, 2019 8:42 pm

congratulations Dr. Cavesa! hope you can have some fun with your language learning again. :)
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Re: Finally, the log I have wanted to start for years!

Postby Lawyer&Mom » Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:43 pm

I wasn’t sure if you had finished your Czech school exams or your Czech licensing exams, but I’m thrilled to hear you are done with all your Czech exams! You are free to move forward and pursue your French dreams. I know it hasn’t been easy, or fun, I admire you for mucking through regardless. Well done!
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Re: Finally, the log I have wanted to start for years!

Postby Cavesa » Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:15 pm

Skynet wrote:Congratulations, Cavesa! You were the person who inspired me to actually start learning languages! When I read your log, I asked myself, "If a person in med school can juggle several languages, why can't I learn French?" I look forward to reading about your next life adventure cough, GERMAN, cough!


Thanks! Looking at all that you're juggling and your achievements, the inspiration stream has reversed! :-D And don't worry, German won't be forgotten, it is high on my list of priorities.

Lawyer&Mom wrote:I wasn’t sure if you had finished your Czech school exams or your Czech licensing exams, but I’m thrilled to hear you are done with all your Czech exams! You are free to move forward and pursue your French dreams. I know it hasn’t been easy, or fun, I admire you for mucking through regardless. Well done!


Thank you. We don't have licensing exams. We end school with six state exams, which are not that different from the normal ones. They are huge, they are before a committee (ouch, what a word to spell...), and the last one equals the end of the studies. We don't get sorted by any other exam, it is "normal" job hunting after that, if you stay in the country or go to another one without such an exam. "Normal" except for much worse conditions compared to most fields. We often make fun of how much more appetising are the job offers for much less qualified jobs :-D Presenting obligatory things required by the law as a rare bonus, that is hilarious :-D

I am free. Of course the future is scary and I have no doubts there will be many challenges and problems. But they'll be different and that's all that matters! :-D

badger wrote:congratulations Dr. Cavesa! hope you can have some fun with your language learning again. :)

Thanks. That's the plan! I just need to stick to the priority of having fun (and as a side effect improving), and not flood myself with too much ambition and work. My brain needs some rest.
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It takes time for the body and mind to recover, after so much stress going on for so long. Yesterday, I got sick in the afternoon again, I guess it was just being tired. I really hope everything will be better from now on, I just need to be patient. And whether it is really the weather (I love more stable less continental climate) or the placebo effect, I always feel better in France, Italy, or Spain, than in the Czech Republic :-D So, I am an optimist in this case.

I am trying to finish that Duo Spanish course. Yes, approximately 1/10 of my mistakes are the real Spanish based ones. 5/10 are new alternatives I report, 4/10 are English based mistakes. Either caused by the double translation (to Czech, and to English), by being too literal or not literal enough (in a few cases, I am really not sure, whether I am either insisting on more correct English than Duo, or had been taught some nonsense), and sometimes by not paying attention (really, translating cinco as nine and similar stupidities). But what is valuable: review of basic vocab not that present in normal media or in coursebooks from B1 on. And I somehow don't feel ok about leaving that course half finished :-D And some of the example sentences are really good, I don't think the course creators did a bad work, just a sloppy one.

So, I am thinking of an ideal pace. Testing out of 30 crowns a day is definitely doable. Perhaps more. Let's see how it goes.
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Re: Finally, the log I have wanted to start for years!

Postby Cavesa » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:42 pm

332/797 crowns. 465 crowns left.

I'm sick of it for today. I'm making too many English mistakes (the dates are horrible, writing them out in words is something I haven't done in years), I sometimes have to write worse and more literal English, or deal with missing alternatives. Really, it looks like some of the things were reported half a year ago or longer. How comes a professionally made tree hasn't been fixed yet? Either Duo should really go the professional way (which means their employees not being sloppy and also adding the reports), or leave it to the volunteers, who like the course and try to do a good job helping their fellows. The German Duo is gonna be switched to the "professional" tree too, which is a bit sad, as the volunteers have just finished a new tree. Really, why cannot companies like Duo or Memrise hire capable people and insist on quality superior to the volunteer work? :-D

Some of my mistakes are honest. Some are just not being careful, but 1/10 is a good one. I am finishing this because I am stubborn :-D

I think the new Spanish tree is less funny than the old one. But there are still some gems. "Hay demasiado vino en la botella" is just great :-D

A real life sentence that felt very Duolingish last week: Il y a un cheveu dans mon café. :-D
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I promised some of the weird (or just unknown) things from my exams:

une rixe=a brawl
dispenser=to dispense, I didn't know this one in either language
ébranlement=shaking, concussion, I didn't know this synonyme
ébaucher quelques pas was obvious from the context but it is still an interesting phrase
zone gâchette=trigger zone
ostréiculture=oyster farming (that was the job of one of the patients)
réglisse=licorice, I had no clue. I don't like it in any language
canicule=heat weave, so useful and new to me. Sure, I guessed from context
mise en bière, I really hadn't known this one and had a hard time not to laugh :-D
règlement à l'amiable, another practical bit for life
canneberge=cranberry

And this is one I struggled with in the answers:
La présence de contusions récentes sur les poignets et les avant-bras va à l'encontre de l'hypothèse d'un suicide.
I was really unsure whether this meant for or against. Sure, one mistake won't change anything in my case, but still. Now, I know it means against.

What is the moral of the story? Learn the useless stuff you randomly encounter. You never know, when you'll gonna need it and your carefully selected 2000 (or whatever small number) words won't help.
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