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Re: Mork the Fiddle's 2019 Log

Postby MorkTheFiddle » Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:00 pm

Progress Report

Spanish 30 minutes listening per day
The following episodes of Cuénteme cómo pasó:
Un cielo
A los lejos el mar
Las invasores
Pax, amor y fantasia
Amistades Peligrosas
Las mejores huelgas de nuestra vida
Ne plus ultra (to 32:06)

María Español's vlog “No digas ‘De Nada.’ Cómo responder a gracias” 8:30 m

French 30 minutes listening per day
Médecin de demain 01:01
Arte: “Sur les traces de Nils Holgersson-Selma Lagerlöf, une conteuse moderne.”
La Guerre de Cent Ans (des racines et des Ailes)
Arte: 1919: La guerre n’est pas finie, roughly 1st 10 minutes

The following episodes from the vlog of Nota Bene:
Hercule/Héraklès ses douze travaux et sa mort peu enviable
L’obesité du Moyen Âge à nos jours.
Wonder Woman, l’Histoire derrière la legende
Quand la France découvre la photographie

The following from the vlog of Linguisticae
noel & santa clause Pte HS#9
Indo-European languages: Roots and Language #1

Other Listening/Reading
La bête humaine 13 m
La Regenta 16:43 m

Other Watching
De Pearl Harbor à Hiroshima 1941-1945 56:30 min (Youtube)
Engrenages Episodes 4 and 5 from Season 2 (Amazon)

Ancient Greek
From the JACT’s A Greek Anthology, excerpts of
Bacchae by Euripides
Oeconomicus by Xenophon

Continued Appian’s Civil War through chapter 26 of Book 1

Comments on listening comprehensibility
For me, Nota Bene's vlog is the perfect i+1. It requires my full attention, but I understand him nearly all of the time.
For me, Cuénteme cómo pasó may be one of the best TV shows I have ever seen, but it is way beyond i+1. Listening hard, I can distinguish most word boundaries and pick out words I know. Most of it, though, is beyond me. Therefore, even if more of it is somehow sinking into my brain, I am going to switch to another listening activity for Spanish, to be decided.
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Re: Mork the Fiddle's 2019 Log

Postby MorkTheFiddle » Sat Jan 23, 2021 8:48 pm

Update

Ancient Greek - all these are from A Greek Anthology by the JACT. NB: A Greek Anthology is not the same book as The Greek Anthology.

Sophocles Philoctetes 1261-1347
Plutarch Death of Cleopatra, Antony 84-86.2
Aristotle Poetics 1452b30-1453b11
Aristophanes Ecclesiazusae 163-244
Demosthenes On the Crown Sections 169-173.2
New Testament Acts of the Apostles 17.16.34


Spanish 30 minutes listening
DW Documental Atravesando Ecuador en tren 42:25
Las Mil y Una Noches en español (Caps.1-6) Voz Humana to 15 min
Audiolibros: Don Quijote de la Mancha - Parte 1 Cap.1 14:55
Isabel Allende La Casa de los espiritus, Cap 1, Rosa la Bella, to 31:53 m
Rumbo al corazón de la Patagonia | DW Documental 42:25 m
¿Por qué la gente se está mudando a Miami? 23:17 m
+ En tren a través de la historia de Japón | DW Documental to 11:50 m
Solares - Un riesgo impredecible | DW Documental 42 m
Español en Episodios - Cap 05 - Turistas con Problemas

French 30 minutes listening
Nota Bene The Deadliest Conflicts in History 30:40
7 Histoires incroyables mais vraies - 28 - e-penser 27 m
Les Frères Karamazov to 5:21 Audible

Le Dessous des cartes, Canada: l’autre Amérique, 11:58 m
*** Thanks to DaveAgain for this.

Face à l’Histoire : Oliver Stone - Blow Up – ARTE 8:55 min
+Vous connaissez Les Marx Brothers à l’ONU ? - Blow Up – ARTE 6:12 min
+Face à l’Histoire : le 11 septembre - Blow Up – ARTE 8:21 min
Au cœur de l'Histoire: Canaris, l’espion d'Hitler (Franck Ferrand) 40:43 m
Les Vacances de Maigret movie starring Bruno Crémer, 1:33:00

Other
Engrenages 02:06,07,08 and 03:01,02,03

Comments
I am also watching, , a 4-hour retrospective of the French Resistance during WW2, focusing on the Nazi Klaus Barbie. Mostly in English, but with significant snippets in French and German.
Engrenages was entertaining the first two seasons. In the third, the relationship between two of the characters changed for the better, but the actions of a third character became, IMHO, preposterous, so I stopped watching.
Les Vacances de Maigret, as a couple comments for its Youtube post noted, was one of the better Crémer episodes.
The French vlogs of Nota Bene and Axolot proved to be disappointments because there are not many posts for either.
A hard copy of Zola’s Bête humaine came this afternoon. I will resume reading it and La Regenta, but without listening to the audio because it slows me down and because trying to coordinate the reading text with the listening gives me the fantods. :)
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Re: Mork the Fiddle's 2019 Log

Postby MorkTheFiddle » Sat Jan 30, 2021 7:11 pm

Ancient Greek
From A Greek Anthology by Joint Association of Classical Teachers (JACT):
Menander Perikeiromene (The girl with the cut hair) 486-525
Sophocles Antigone 441-525 Antigone confronts Creon
Homer Odyssey Book 5 lines 75-153, 201-224 Hermes orders Calypso to release Odysseus
Thucydides 3.36.2-37.2, 40.7-42.1, 47-49 The revolt of Mytilene
Plutarch On the Decline of Oracles Sections 419B-420A [source
On the Decline of Oracles]
Aeschylus Persians 384-432 The battle of Salamis
Herodotus Book 8 chapters 74 and 87-88 The battle of Salamis

French 30-minute listening
Tintin ep 05 L’île Noire 39 min
L’histoire de France ¼ 20:27 min
+ L’histoire de France 2/4 15 min
Des racines et des ailes: Des chateaux en Ecosse 36:27 min
Les mystères de la médicine Ep1 to 35:15 (The best of my French listening when combining intrinsic interest with challenging but comprehensible content)
[End of 30-day experiment for French Listening, which was in part suggested here by

Other French
Engrenages Season 4 episodes 01-08 with subtitles
Reading/listening Louis Ferdinand Céline Voyage au bout de la nuit Le Livre de Poche 13-16 and Audible Chapitres 1-3


Spanish 30-minute listening
Kiribatí: El paraíso del Pacífico | DW Documental 36 m
Julio Cortázar "Instrucciones para subir una escalera" 4 m AlbaLearning
+ “Cambio de luces” 26 min
Julio Cortazar Casa tomada y otros cuentos 30:15 min [Audible]
Documental - Cómo lo hacen? (hormigon,celulares,bombilla electrica,acero, trafico inteligente) to 33:07

[End of 30-day experiment for Spanish Listening]


Other Spanish
Began watching Cuéntame cómo pasó episode 371 and following the subtitles.There were more unknown words in the subtitles than I expected. What a revoltin’ development! To help close the gap, I will have to read more. I’ll begin with the Cortázar stories. BTW, Episode 371 is very up to date, including news about Covid-19.
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Re: Mork the Fiddle's 2019 Log

Postby Ezra » Sat Jan 30, 2021 7:24 pm

MorkTheFiddle wrote:[End of 30-day experiment for Spanish Listening]

And what are the results? :)
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Re: Mork the Fiddle's 2019 Log

Postby jeffers » Sat Jan 30, 2021 8:19 pm

Thank you for bringing Nota Bene to my attention in your log. I've just watched an episode and I think I will find it quite useful.
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Re: Mork the Fiddle's 2019 Log

Postby cjareck » Sat Jan 30, 2021 10:29 pm

MorkTheFiddle wrote:[End of 30-day experiment for French Listening, which was in part suggested here

Thanks for the video! I've watched it and understood more than I expected :) I know that the language was simple because it was intended for French learners, but I am satisfied with my comprehension level. Besides, my daughters keep learning Spanish what strongly motivates me to spend some time with French...
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Re: Mork the Fiddle's 2019 Log

Postby MorkTheFiddle » Sun Jan 31, 2021 6:09 pm

cjareck wrote:
MorkTheFiddle wrote:[End of 30-day experiment for French Listening, which was in part suggested here

Thanks for the video! I've watched it and understood more than I expected :) I know that the language was simple because it was intended for French learners, but I am satisfied with my comprehension level. Besides, my daughters keep learning Spanish what strongly motivates me to spend some time with French...
Credit to Carmody for bringing that blog to my attention.
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Re: Mork the Fiddle's 2019 Log

Postby MorkTheFiddle » Sun Jan 31, 2021 7:19 pm

Ezra wrote:
MorkTheFiddle wrote:[End of 30-day experiment for Spanish Listening]

And what are the results? :)
A lack of plan, pattern or measurment led to uncertain results. My guiding principles were a length of at least 30 minutes whenever possible and a dialogue that I could at least partially understand. The available brief online assessments of listening understanding strike me as unreliable or too imprecise for the most part, so I did not try to evaluate before and after listening. Subjectively, there was no improvement that I noticed. The value of the experiment was my becoming more aware of the podcasts and videos that are out there, and more important, getting back in the habit of regular listening to French and Spanish. :)
Let me add that some of the videos I watched were voiceovers of English language originals, and if the English was left too loud, I could not understand the second language. Eventually I stopped watching that kind of video altogether because it was too frustrating.
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Re: Mork the Fiddle's 2019 Log

Postby Beli Tsar » Sun Jan 31, 2021 7:35 pm

MorkTheFiddle wrote:Ancient Greek
From A Greek Anthology by Joint Association of Classical Teachers (JACT):
Menander Perikeiromene (The girl with the cut hair) 486-525
Sophocles Antigone 441-525 Antigone confronts Creon
Homer Odyssey Book 5 lines 75-153, 201-224 Hermes orders Calypso to release Odysseus
Thucydides 3.36.2-37.2, 40.7-42.1, 47-49 The revolt of Mytilene
Plutarch On the Decline of Oracles Sections 419B-420A [source
On the Decline of Oracles]
Aeschylus Persians 384-432 The battle of Salamis
Herodotus Book 8 chapters 74 and 87-88 The battle of Salamis

How are you finding the anthology? Especially as someone who reads full texts already?

I dipped into it a few years back, when I wasn't ready, and was overwhelmed by the vocab etc.

Is it a good selection? Worth getting?
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Re: Mork the Fiddle's 2019 Log

Postby MorkTheFiddle » Tue Feb 02, 2021 1:36 am

Beli Tsar wrote:
MorkTheFiddle wrote:Ancient Greek
From A Greek Anthology by Joint Association of Classical Teachers (JACT):
Menander Perikeiromene (The girl with the cut hair) 486-525
Sophocles Antigone 441-525 Antigone confronts Creon
Homer Odyssey Book 5 lines 75-153, 201-224 Hermes orders Calypso to release Odysseus
Thucydides 3.36.2-37.2, 40.7-42.1, 47-49 The revolt of Mytilene
Plutarch On the Decline of Oracles Sections 419B-420A [source
On the Decline of Oracles]
Aeschylus Persians 384-432 The battle of Salamis
Herodotus Book 8 chapters 74 and 87-88 The battle of Salamis

How are you finding the anthology? Especially as someone who reads full texts already?

I dipped into it a few years back, when I wasn't ready, and was overwhelmed by the vocab etc.

Is it a good selection? Worth getting?
For anyone at an intermediate level it is a good selection and worth getting. For me it provided a very pleasant experience reading Ancient Greek not having to look up the precise meaning of a word and having tricky forms and phrases explained right on the next page. Even though I have read many complete works, I consider myself to still be at the intermediate level. Most of the reading I do is still step by step, though I certainly recognize many more vocabulary items and grammatical constructions than ever before. But with the help the editors give in this selection, I can read these passages twice or three times as fast as without the help. The one caveat would be beginners will not benefit from the book. Readers should have down basic grammar and vocabulary before tackling this work.
I hope this helps.
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