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Re: Languid Language Learning

Postby Elenia » Fri Aug 04, 2017 1:10 pm

WalkingAlone13 wrote:I do not mean to be a party pooper, and I feel like a meanie for saying this, because for all I know the 50/50 may well become a reality in your case. However, from personal experience this really will not happen unless you absolutely force it to happen. I ended up speaking Finnish with the entire family (bar those I had to use Swedish with) with the only exception being my fiance. It got to the point where the rest of the family assumed we were being rude, until I pointed out that if I spoke Finnish with her, she would switch to English. Once this has established itself, you get the "excuse" for the rest of your days that, hey, we started off speaking in this language, it feels weird to speak anything but it with you, even though we can both speak x language.
I say excuse "excuse" as I see this a lot, however one of my friends whom I met several years before I even started learning German and therefore only ever spoke English with, speaks perfectly fine in German with me. In fact, we only speak German now. There is, of course, the odd occasion, where she might start a conversation in English, but as soon as I reply in German the rest will continue in German.

So, basically, my rather overdrawn point was, if it is indeed your wish to converse 50/50, I would try to establish this as soon as humanly possibly. :) It may well dispel disappointment further along.

Great job on the supermarket, by the way. I actually find the supermarket one of the most enjoyable places to practice conversing as there are ample opportunities to do so, plus it just seems intrinsically fun for some reason. I wish you all the best and look forward to reading more about your adventures as always!


No worries, you make a very valid point! It's almost impossible to get my German friend to speak German with me for such a reason (we actually started our friendship in French, but quickly switched over to English :oops: my fault!) So your concern isn't lost or wasted on me.

But that isn't a problem with my boyfriend. He is incredibly happy that I am learning Swedish, and even happier when I speak it with him. He doesn't switch to English unless he is having trouble explaining something, or unless I am having trouble understanding a Swedish explanation. I am the person who switches most! So you are right that I will have to force it - but the person I will need to convince is myself! If it were up to my boyfriend, the percentage of Swedish to English would probably even be higher!

(He was trying to incite me to write recipes in Swedish the other day. I told him point blank that it won't happen.)
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Re: Languid Language Learning

Postby Elenia » Sat Aug 05, 2017 8:16 pm

Lazy day today. I spoke a little Swedish with my boyfriend this morning and kept up with Clozemaster. I didn't go out, even though I absolutely said I would. I am definitely getting sick*, but that is no excuse. I just didn't want to.

I will maybe try to do a little bit of audiobook listening. I pay 169kr a month for my storytel subscription, so I really should make more use of it. I also would like to do some easy reading. My boyfriend has a few Pratchetts in Swedish translation, but I'm not too sure I feel like that. I want something lighter and fluffier. Like Pride and Prejudice.

*Yep, again. Nope, the last cold hadn't properly gone. This one feels worse than the other two already.
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Re: Languid Language Learning

Postby Morgana » Sun Aug 06, 2017 2:20 am

Elenia wrote:Lazy day today. I spoke a little Swedish with my boyfriend this morning and kept up with Clozemaster. I didn't go out, even though I absolutely said I would. I am definitely getting sick*, but that is no excuse. I just didn't want to.

I will maybe try to do a little bit of audiobook listening. I pay 169kr a month for my storytel subscription, so I really should make more use of it. I also would like to do some easy reading. My boyfriend has a few Pratchetts in Swedish translation, but I'm not too sure I feel like that. I want something lighter and fluffier. Like Pride and Prejudice.

*Yep, again. Nope, the last cold hadn't properly gone. This one feels worse than the other two already.


Aw :( I hope you feel better quickly, get lots of rest and all that. Audiobook listening sounds like a nice treat.
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Re: Languid Language Learning

Postby Elenia » Tue Aug 08, 2017 8:53 am

Thank you Morgana :)

I am still feeling less than my best. However yesterday, my boyfriend and I went for a trip to Kalmar. It was really lovely! Kalmar is a gorgeous town, and the train journey there is wonderful, especially as it passes through Småland. I saw lots of rabbits in the park round Kalmar which was excellent: I've never seen rabbits in the wild before. I saw in Aokoye's log that he discovered rabbits in Berlin too. I wish London parks had rabbits in them. We were visiting a friend of my boyfriend's, so we spoke a bit of Swedish with her and her mum. We switched a lot from Swedish to English, although my boyfriend kept mostly to Swedish unless he wanted to make a joke that would only work in English :roll: we have plans for lots of film nights and På Spåret evenings with her now, when the time comes.

Later, we wandered about the town a bit before finding a pub to have dinner in. The weather was good, so almost every patron was sat outside. They were having difficulty seating people as it got later, so it was something of a shock when I went inside and found that there were loads of free tables! At the pub, I spoke only in Swedish to the waitresses. I kind of shocked myself, as I always feel awkward when ordering, and tend to get mixed up because of nerves.

Other than that, I listened to about 40 minutes of the audiobook of Freja by Johanne Hildebrannt, bringing my total for that book up to fifty hours. I don't really know how I feel about it, to be honest, but I'll keep on going for a while longer. If nothing else, it's thirteen hours of audio for the SC and my personal input challenge.

On Sunday night, I also read the first story from Rent Spel to my boyfriend. It was difficult, because I insisted on Finno-svensk pronunciation of 'de' and 'dem', but also because my throat was so sore. I have always known that reading aloud is a skill in and of itself, and that just proves it: it was harder to read aloud than just to talk.

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In other news, my boyfriend and I watched the first few minutes of 'Au Service de la France', which I found out about in MamaPata's log. Thanks for the recommendation! It seems interesting :D irritatingly, my Netflix free trial runs out on Wednesday, but it's something to keep in mind for if I even decide to get a proper subscription.
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Re: Languid Language Learning

Postby rdearman » Tue Aug 08, 2017 10:53 am

Elenia wrote:I wish London parks had rabbits in them.

I've seen rabbits in London parks before. There is a ratio of 1 rabbit per 10000000000000000000 pigdens.

Elenia wrote:I watched the first few minutes of 'Au Service de la France'

It is really good. I like it, but I don't think they are going to do another season. :( I especially liked the scene where some Americans try to explain why President Kennedy being a womaniser is a political problem to a bunch of French men in the 60's.
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Re: Languid Language Learning

Postby MamaPata » Tue Aug 08, 2017 4:41 pm

rdearman wrote:
Elenia wrote:I wish London parks had rabbits in them.

I've seen rabbits in London parks before. There is a ratio of 1 rabbit per 10000000000000000000 pigdens.

Elenia wrote:I watched the first few minutes of 'Au Service de la France'

It is really good. I like it, but I don't think they are going to do another season. :( I especially liked the scene where some Americans try to explain why President Kennedy being a womaniser is a political problem to a bunch of French men in the 60's.


I'm kind of starting to get into it - but I do have problems with the second hand embarrassment! I keep watching through my fingers. :lol:

Impressive work on the ordering - that always makes me panic.
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Re: Languid Language Learning

Postby Morgana » Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:51 pm

Elenia wrote:I am still feeling less than my best. However yesterday, my boyfriend and I went for a trip to Kalmar. It was really lovely! Kalmar is a gorgeous town, and the train journey there is wonderful, especially as it passes through Småland. I saw lots of rabbits in the park round Kalmar which was excellent: I've never seen rabbits in the wild before. I saw in Aokoye's log that he discovered rabbits in Berlin too. I wish London parks had rabbits in them. We were visiting a friend of my boyfriend's, so we spoke a bit of Swedish with her and her mum. We switched a lot from Swedish to English, although my boyfriend kept mostly to Swedish unless he wanted to make a joke that would only work in English :roll: we have plans for lots of film nights and På Spåret evenings with her now, when the time comes.


Kalmar! It is very often mentioned in the Linguaphone course :lol: Is it that rare to see wildlife in larger cities? I take rabbits for granted where I live. And squirrels, groundhogs, chipmunks, geese :|

Elenia wrote:At the pub, I spoke only in Swedish to the waitresses. I kind of shocked myself, as I always feel awkward when ordering, and tend to get mixed up because of nerves.


Nice ;)
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Re: Languid Language Learning

Postby Elenia » Thu Aug 10, 2017 12:48 pm

rdearman wrote:
Elenia wrote:I wish London parks had rabbits in them.

I've seen rabbits in London parks before. There is a ratio of 1 rabbit per 10000000000000000000 pigdens.


I feel somewhat bitter about this! Which park? I might have to camp out there...

MamaPata wrote:
rdearman wrote:
Elenia wrote:I watched the first few minutes of 'Au Service de la France'

It is really good. I like it, but I don't think they are going to do another season. :( I especially liked the scene where some Americans try to explain why President Kennedy being a womaniser is a political problem to a bunch of French men in the 60's.


I'm kind of starting to get into it - but I do have problems with the second hand embarrassment! I keep watching through my fingers. :lol:


I get really bad second hand embarrassment, sometimes I even have to leave the room! This is making the show sound a lot more difficult than I thought it would be! :lol:

Morgana wrote:Kalmar! It is very often mentioned in the Linguaphone course :lol: Is it that rare to see wildlife in larger cities? I take rabbits for granted where I live. And squirrels, groundhogs, chipmunks, geese :|


Well, it depends on the animal and where in the city you are. There are, as rdearman said, tons of pidgeons in London. In central London that is probably the only animal you'll see without looking for them. Up where my family live in Cockfosters, there are loads of different types of birds, including parakeets. It's quite amazing to hear their call and look out and see one perched on the frosty branch of a tree in the middle of January. They've done shockingly well in London. There are also lots of squirrels, although mostly grey squirrels. The red squirrels are now severely engangered because of grey squirrels. And of course there are tons of foxes in the suburbs. My friend, who had lived in a small town in Germany all her life, saw her first fox when visiting me and she thought it was amazing. I told her she would change her mind when she heard them.

https://www.tripsavvy.com/get-to-know-l ... fe-1583697 - of these, I think I've only seen the peacocks and the ravens. In much of the touristy areas of the city, however, it's simply too busy and too concrete for most animals.

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I have not used Clozemaster all of this week. I will get back to it at some point. The last time I used it, I got rid of my German to French course. I really dislike both the French courses I play, but thought I'd keep the Danish based course as it's not too big.

I also bought a month's lingq membership the other day, taking advantage of a special offer that meant the first month is only a dollar. I am using it for Finnish. I went through a dialogue and a bit, looking up grammar in 'From Start to Finnish' and a basic grammar that I have in my Finnish treasure chest. The more I learn of Finnish, the more I love it.

Yesterday I ended up reading a French site about life in Sweden for a while, then applying to volunteer for the Swedish Red Cross, which included a bit of writing. I only wrote about a hundred words, but it's better than nothing.

Still sick :(
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Re: Languid Language Learning

Postby MamaPata » Fri Aug 11, 2017 12:15 pm

Elenia wrote:Well, it depends on the animal and where in the city you are. There are, as rdearman said, tons of pidgeons in London. In central London that is probably the only animal you'll see without looking for them. Up where my family live in Cockfosters, there are loads of different types of birds, including parakeets. It's quite amazing to hear their call and look out and see one perched on the frosty branch of a tree in the middle of January. They've done shockingly well in London. There are also lots of squirrels, although mostly grey squirrels. The red squirrels are now severely engangered because of grey squirrels. And of course there are tons of foxes in the suburbs. My friend, who had lived in a small town in Germany all her life, saw her first fox when visiting me and she thought it was amazing. I told her she would change her mind when she heard them.


Squirrels bloody everywhere. The one that always amuses me is that my Australian friends love the squirrels, whereas they drive me mad.
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We get the parakeets too - the urban legend is they escaped from the zoo, but I have no idea if it's true or not.

Impressive work on the volunteering application! That's a tough thing to write! Fingers crossed!
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Re: Languid Language Learning

Postby aokoye » Sun Aug 13, 2017 8:47 am

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Elenia wrote:Well, it depends on the animal and where in the city you are. There are, as rdearman said, tons of pidgeons in London. In central London that is probably the only animal you'll see without looking for them. Up where my family live in Cockfosters, there are loads of different types of birds, including parakeets. It's quite amazing to hear their call and look out and see one perched on the frosty branch of a tree in the middle of January. They've done shockingly well in London. There are also lots of squirrels, although mostly grey squirrels. The red squirrels are now severely engangered because of grey squirrels. And of course there are tons of foxes in the suburbs. My friend, who had lived in a small town in Germany all her life, saw her first fox when visiting me and she thought it was amazing. I told her she would change her mind when she heard them.


Squirrels bloody everywhere. The one that always amuses me is that my Australian friends love the squirrels, whereas they drive me mad.
:evil:
We get the parakeets too - the urban legend is they escaped from the zoo, but I have no idea if it's true or not.

Impressive work on the volunteering application! That's a tough thing to write! Fingers crossed!

Wait - parakeets?! We definitely don't have those in the wild in Portland (nor have I seen any in Berlin). I am a fan of the red squirrels, if only because I'm so used grey squirrels and fox squirrels (they're a brownish color). When I was going to school in NY there were black squirrels which were also fantastic.
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