Japanese and Chill: Devilyoudont's 2020 Log (Wanderlusting EO, ES, and KO)

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Re: Japanese and Chill: Devilyoudont's 2020 Log (Wanderlusting EO, ES, and KO)

Postby devilyoudont » Sun Jun 07, 2020 8:28 pm

This was a tough week for languages. The local uprising somewhat disrupted my normal working schedule, which would have been fine on it's own, but then a major storm passed thru and knocked out the power for 100,000 people, including us and my job. We wound up without power for 2 days, and a combination of the stress and the lack of internet access was a setback for my language study this week.

Japanese
Read half of chapter 7 for 三姉妹探偵団 but I was really unable to keep my mind on it this week.

Based on golyplot's log I decided to check out both of Nihongo con Teppei's podcasts. I will probably listen to the full archive of both while working for the next couple of months. The host seems like a nice guy, so that makes me want to keep listening.

I started wanting to brush up on actual grammar lately, and I was thinking of how helpful it was for me when I read about 1/3 of Plena Manlibro de Esperanta Gramatiko in Esperanto. After an extended search for a similar site I ended up deciding that I will read thru 国語の文法 rather than read large sections of Imabi or one of my Dictionaries of Japanese Grammar. This week I read the section on 言葉の単位.

I spent a small amount of time trying to read my physical copy of 旅猫リポート in the dark but gave up with only a few pages of progress.

The priming I gave myself a month ago by quizzing myself on literally every joyo kanji has worn off, and now I actually need to pay attention while I am doing my SRS reviews. I expect to know in another month if I can increase my number of new cards without drowning in reviews, or if 5 new cards a day is the right amount.

Did a small amount of chatting on the Japanese discord server.

Esperanto
I helped komencantojn and I played Pictionary. I did some chatting but not too much. Listened to an episode of Kern.punkto. Spent some time looking at the Proverbaro because I love it.

Spanish
Made a small amount of progress in Esperanza Renace.

There's a major difference in what kind of words I don't know when I compare my experience of reading in Japanese and reading in Spanish.

For Japanese, the words I fail on are jukugo. If I know all the kanji involved, the meaning and often the pronunciation are guessable for me, but a lot of the time, I don't know every kanji. And so I fail at these words big time. However, my knowledge of native Japanese words tends to carry me thru, allowing me to continue on even when there are many many many jukugo on a page.

For Spanish, I know a basic vocabulary which is probably just a Swadesh list expanded to include a couple dozen more verbs. I can only use probably 3 of the tenses. I can passively understand a larger number of tenses, but not all of them. On the other hand, I know a huge amount of words already due to the shared Latin vocabulary in both English and Spanish. So, the kinds of words covered by jukugo are not difficult for me at all in Spanish, whereas basic everyday objects, parts of the body, and foods are just completely unknown.

A long time ago I read an article about Spanish sound shifts. Randomly this week I noticed myself connecting Spanish words such as llorar to Esperanto words such as plori due to having read that article. I might need to revisit this, because there should be more words which are shared between Esperanto and Spanish.
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Japanese Intermediate 2: 4330 / 12000
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Spanish Intermediate 2: 1936 / 13200
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Read a Book in Esperanto: 13 / 28
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Re: Japanese and Chill: Devilyoudont's 2020 Log (Wanderlusting EO, ES, and KO)

Postby devilyoudont » Sun Jun 14, 2020 7:07 pm

Japanese
I finished reading chapter 7 of 三姉妹探偵団. Previously, I liked the character Ayako, but now this chapter she is annoying me. Probably because she started an affair with someone else's husband, and because I think that that husband is, in fact, the killer.

I listened to more of Nihongo con Teppei. He has a podcast for both beginners and intermediate, but so far I don't really see a difference in the level of both. So far, it seems the main difference is that the intermediate episodes are longer.

I continued reading 国語文法. This week's chapter was about subject and predicate, which was a bit harder to wrap my head around. I already had somewhat an idea of how Japanese divide words (菜の花=1 word, なりました=3 words), but the Japanese view of what is a predicate was fairly strange for me. In a sentence like, "I want to love you" "want to love you" would be predicate in both English and Esperanto. But in Japanese only "want to love" would be the predicate. In other words, a Japanese predicate (述語) consists only of verbs (including だ and い adjectives) and helping verbs.

Esperanto
I read chapter 12 of Ĉu vi kuiras ĉine? I am really hoping that one day, our dear detective will no longer talk about the holy valley dialect of Esperanto. The author introduced another suspect yet again. I wish the story would just advance rather than yet more suspects.

Additionally, I listened to Kern.punkto, played Pictionary, and.... started a blog in Esperanto! Right now, my blog in Esperanto is just a translation of this language log. However, I would like to start tracking other goals there as well which would probably not be a good fit for this community (fitness, drawing, things about my pets)

Spanish
I started listening to Spanishpodcast.net again. I like this podcast because I can almost understand it. Actually understanding it is just above my level. I listen and I understand most of the words, but not the ideas. I remember feeling this way about some Japanese podcast or other, and it was immediately before I had a break thru, so I am hopeful I will have a break thru in Spanish listening soon. My brain will start to connect the words into sentences, and then the sentences into ideas. That's the hope anyway.

As expected, the father dying has made the story in Esperanza renace much more interesting. Her house has been burned down, an uncle tried to force her mother to marry him, and she is now moving to America! Finally stuff is happening.
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Japanese Intermediate 2: 4330 / 12000
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Spanish Intermediate 2: 1936 / 13200
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Read a Book in Esperanto: 13 / 28
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Re: Japanese and Chill: Devilyoudont's 2020 Log (Wanderlusting EO, ES, and KO)

Postby devilyoudont » Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:45 am

I haven’t made much progress in the past two weeks. A lot of things have happened. First, we got a new puppy and she is only 8 weeks old. Second, we had a big project at my job and it only finished yesterday. Third, maybe because too many things are happening at once, I’ve been really depressed lately.

Last week, I started feeling really bored by my target languages. I considered studying other languages for ​​a bit, mostly other planned languages. I was particularly interested in Globasa, Lidepla, and Pandunia but I also thought of some natural languages ​​- Chinese, German, Swedish, Haitian... I even started to make Globasan flashcards. But for now, I decided not to add any other languages. I don't have enough time for another language, and I know that my love for Japanese, Spanish, and Esperanto will return when my depression wanes. I also feel like I am becoming more and more interested in Korean. A close friend speaks it natively, and the similarities to Japanese are very interesting.

Japanese
I’ve been thinking a lot about flashcards lately. I messed with the settings for Anki a bit, and made it so that when I forget a card, it won't punish me so severely. I am feeling like I should probably be doing sentence mining for vocabulary, rather than using it only for kanji. But, I’m lazy and so I think I'm not going to pursue that until I learn all of the kanji.

I didn’t read much recently. I didn't read any of 三姉妹探偵団, and I only ready 1 chapter of 国語文法. I was able to understand this chapter as I was reading it, but now I can't really describe what I read in English. I guess you could say I read about grammatical complements. A complement can be attached to either a subject or a predicate. Weirdly, a comma can change where the complement attaches!

男の子は泣きながら走る女の子を追いかけた。
While crying, the boy chased a girl who was running.
男の子は、泣きながら走る女の子を追いかけた。
The boy chased a girl who was crying as she ran.

I'm aware that the above is possible in English as well, but it was a little harder to wrap my head around in a different language lmao.

I listened to tooooooooons of episodes of the Nihongo Con Teppei podcast. The most interesting episode I listened to was about when Teppei uses the Italki website to teach Japanese to his listeners. The listeners of his podcast are often a little surprised when they start lessons with Teppei, as their mental image of Teppei and the reality of Teppei are different.

My therapist thinks I should pursue a language exchange.

Esperanto
I haven't really studied Esperanto lately. I talked to people in chat rooms, and I played a game with others at skribbl.io. I read a little, but not from the book Ĉu vi kuiras ĉine? ... Instead, I read La Manifesto de Raŭmo. I think I would like to read more documents like this. Sometimes we talk about Raŭmismo or Finvenkismo... I guess that by reading the historical documents, I can better understand Esperanto culture.

Spanish
I read only a little bit, but I listened to a few episodes of Spanishpodcast.net. Someone asked me why I don't try and speak in Spanish much, and as a result I joined a Spanish discord server. But I still didn't really try using it.

Have a picture of my dogs :)
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Japanese Intermediate 2: 4330 / 12000
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Spanish Intermediate 2: 1936 / 13200
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Read a Book in Esperanto: 13 / 28
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Re: Japanese and Chill: Devilyoudont's 2020 Log (Wanderlusting EO, ES, and KO)

Postby DaveAgain » Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:49 am

devilyoudont wrote:I considered studying other languages for ​​a bit, mostly other planned languages. I was particularly interested in Globasa, Lidepla, and Pandunia but I also thought of some natural languages ​​- Chinese, German, Swedish, Haitian... I even started to make Globasan flashcards. But for now, I decided not to add any other languages. I don't have enough time for another language, and I know that my love for Japanese, Spanish, and Esperanto will return when my depression wanes.
You could argue that standard German is a planned language, being a deliberate merging of German dialects into one written form.
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