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Re: nothing serious here

Postby Cavesa » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:09 am

I've been thinking of a small transcription project. Everyone knows it is hard to find transcripts (=the precise version, not the subtitles. Even the subtitles in the original language for people with a hearing condition are often imprecise and sometimes even horrible). So I was thinking about doing such a longer "dictée" exercise. Why? I've found myself making too many notes while watching Incorporated in Spanish and wishing I was making notes during Lucifer in Italian. But I am considering a few other options as well. For native Spanish show, I've been considering Estoy Vivo.

Anyone would like to join me and share transcripts of the episodes?
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Re: nothing serious here

Postby Ani » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:47 am

I was just thinking about this. I transcribed a bunch of a stupid movie the other day and it was such a nice exercise.

It's the wrong language and the wrong series but it crossed my mind to do this for Black Mirror. Just some episodes.. the are some I wouldn't be willing to watch a second time let alone long enough to transcribe ..

You're doing awesome with your studies. We're all rooting for you.:)
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Re: nothing serious here

Postby DaveAgain » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:16 am

Cavesa wrote:Everyone knows it is hard to find transcripts (=the precise version, not the subtitles. Even the subtitles in the original language for people with a hearing condition are often imprecise and sometimes even horrible).
The 'how I passed italian C2 exam' blog chap mentioned using Euronews.com for dictation exercises (I think they provide a transcript).
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Re: nothing serious here

Postby Jaleel10 » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:00 am

Cavesa wrote:I've been thinking of a small transcription project.


I am also considering a small transcription project in the future. I downloaded all the intermediate and advanced podcasts from http://www.podcastsinspanish.org/index.shtml While the audio is free, you have to pay a subscription to access the transcripts. I don't have that type of money so I decided that I would transcribe it myself! All of the conversations are short (between 2 and 4 minutes) and the audio is more than 8 hours in total. Might be worth considering as well.

Ani wrote:It's the wrong language and the wrong series but it crossed my mind to do this for Black Mirror. Just some episodes.. the are some I wouldn't be willing to watch a second time let alone long enough to transcribe ..


That would be a nope from me as well. Still suffering from the effects of the last episode of season 1 :lol:

DaveAgain wrote:The 'how I passed italian C2 exam' blog chap mentioned using Euronews.com for dictation exercises (I think they provide a transcript).


They do, it's a really neat resource and it's available in 9 other languages, each with its own Youtube channel.
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Re: nothing serious here

Postby Cavesa » Fri Sep 14, 2018 4:10 pm

Thanks, but this is not what I am looking for. I want the tv series. The ones I have mentioned as examples are full of useful language. How do I know what is useful: well, I want to speak those languages ideally as well as French or English, so I am basing my judgement on previous experience.

Actually, the awesome blog about getting to C2 Italian is one of my sources of experience for this. I really admire the blogger's dedication and the method, I just need to apply them on a bit different resources.

I don't like the news much. And I find news very depressive and boring, and I find the language rather repetitive and less useful for normal life. I can't see myself transcribing the news or using such transcripts in any time consuming way. I already hate my daily life enough :-D And I don't necessarily need to compare my dictée to a previous one fortunately (lack of such a resource is one of the main reasons for this exercise). My Spanish and Italian listening skills are well above my other skills, so I'll just combine them with googling and checking relevant sources (like dictionaries).

Really, the tv series are the best, so why switch them for something that simply doesn't work just that great for me?

I am convinced that the "obsession" of the language teachers with the news (it is is basically the only native content widely recommended in the main stream language learning as far as I've seen and heard) is one of the reasons for such a low % of successful language learners. People believe them and use something that doesn't work that well for their needs and doesn't stimulate them enough to keep doing it. The news have their place in a language learner's input diet, sure. But they shouldn't be so central to it.

I'll tell you how it goes really soon. Who knows, perhaps I'll encounter some troubles.

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Re: nothing serious here

Postby Ani » Fri Sep 14, 2018 4:17 pm

Jaleel10 wrote:[
Ani wrote:It's the wrong language and the wrong series but it crossed my mind to do this for Black Mirror. Just some episodes.. the are some I wouldn't be willing to watch a second time let alone long enough to transcribe ..


That would be a nope from me as well. Still suffering from the effects of the last episode of season 1 :lol:


I could have happily skipped season 1, but I liked the beginning of season 2 and really loved season 4 EPs 1 & 4
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Re: nothing serious here

Postby Elenia » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:12 pm

Cavesa wrote:I am convinced that the "obsession" of the language teachers with the news (it is is basically the only native content widely recommended in the main stream language learning as far as I've seen and heard) is one of the reasons for such a low % of successful language learners. People believe them and use something that doesn't work that well for their needs and doesn't stimulate them enough to keep doing it. The news have their place in a language learner's input diet, sure. But they shouldn't be so central to it.


I'm suffering from this at current :( we have to prepare a newspaper article to talk about for most lessons. I hate the news. It's usually either bad and makes me hate politics, the world and everyone in it, boring or not worthy of the name. I think the main drive behind this is that it's short. The expected level of the class right now is B1 level, and there are certainly those who wouldn't do well with longer texts, but most of the class would probably be fine.

That being said, I avoid news to such an extent that it's probably for the best that I'm forced to read a few articles. Unfortunately, right now it's all (still) about the Swedish election, so every page of every paper is basically the same.
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Re: nothing serious here

Postby DaveAgain » Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:31 pm

Elenia wrote:I'm suffering from this at current :( we have to prepare a newspaper article to talk about for most lessons. I hate the news. It's usually either bad and makes me hate politics, the world and everyone in it, boring or not worthy of the name.
You're doing it wrong!

You need to look for the articles about wonderfoods. It's always cheering to know that chocolate is good for your blood pressure, and blue/red/purple berries can cure whatever ails you.

I've not yet seen one about the life extending powers of McVites digestives, but I'm hoping their marketing department will get on side help me. I want to believe!
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Re: nothing serious here

Postby Elenia » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:23 pm

DaveAgain wrote:
Elenia wrote:I'm suffering from this at current :( we have to prepare a newspaper article to talk about for most lessons. I hate the news. It's usually either bad and makes me hate politics, the world and everyone in it, boring or not worthy of the name.
You're doing it wrong!

You need to look for the articles about wonderfoods. It's always cheering to know that chocolate is good for your blood pressure, and blue/red/purple berries can cure whatever ails you.

I've not yet seen one about the life extending powers of McVites digestives, but I'm hoping their marketing department will get on side help me. I want to believe!


See, Sweden's all about telling me that wine is bad for me, and I shouldn't eat after 8pm. NO SWEDEN I CAN'T HEAR YOU I'M NOT LISTENING.
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Re: nothing serious here

Postby DaveAgain » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:13 pm

Elenia wrote:See, Sweden's all about telling me that wine is bad for me, and I shouldn't eat after 8pm. NO SWEDEN I CAN'T HEAR YOU I'M NOT LISTENING.
Now that's just mean. :o

Any newspaper that behaves like that doesn't deserve another chance in the recycling bin. One way ticket to the cat litter tray. No appeal.
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