luke wrote:David1917 wrote:AllSubNoDub wrote:Simultaneously Listening to the L2, Speaking the L2, Understanding the L2
In the old hour-long video on Shadowing, he did say that the final stage would be to take the audio from an Assimil course and go on a long walk and shadow the whole thing without the book, and understand everything. Theoretically, one should also be able to do that with an unknown text as well at some point.
So shadowing is positioned as an exercise for listening, understanding, speaking, pronunciation. Very broad skill coverage.
Sort of, yes. In relation to the new lectures based on Robert A Hall's book, it might be classified also as "habit formation" which the second discussion circle touches on a bit. Get a broad feel of the language's lilt in your ears & mouth, and begin to understand it by peeling back layers of each lesson with each passing day. I don't think of it as a strict pronunciation exercise though - that is, compared to something like minimal pair exercises. You don't really get enough time to stop and work on the various sounds.
So, the reading part that accompanies earlier phases of shadowing is meant more like training wheels, although not forbidden at advanced stages?
Based on the new "advanced shadowing" videos where the goal is to just narrate something to yourself (probably borne from his personal enjoyment with shadowing in general in the early stages of several languages, found a way to keep doing it), it might be that the reading in 2 languages is your training to understand and internalize that one coursebook when meeting a new language. Nothing is forbidden - everyone does what feels best for them when learning & using a language.
I thought one of the things Professor's described in his "shadowing march" was having the book in front of him.
He just says to take the audio and go out and do it. Maybe book was implied, maybe it wasn't. I would think that carrying a book at eye-level for 2 hours might get real old real fast. And he mentioned doing this after talking about having the recording on in the background while you just do the dishes or something and understand everything, which led me to believe that you're mostly done with the book at that point.
His "going for a run" didn't sound like it had a book, but it didn't have any shadowing either.
Yeah going for a run was just listening to an audiobook. Personally, I listen to Pantera when I run.