What is the "opposite" of orphan?
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Re: What is the "opposite" of orphan?
"child-bereft" - it's not used that much anymore but definitely part of the English 19th Century lexicon.
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Re: What is the "opposite" of orphan?
There is no such a term in Czech.
And as far as I know, I don't think there is any in French or Spanish either.
It reflects the fact our societies pretend not to see some aspects of life these days.
And in the past? It was unfortunately called "normal".
And as far as I know, I don't think there is any in French or Spanish either.
It reflects the fact our societies pretend not to see some aspects of life these days.
And in the past? It was unfortunately called "normal".
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Re: What is the "opposite" of orphan?
I've never seen it used like that in old books and Google Books also doesn't show any matches for 19th books with this particular meaning.zenmonkey wrote:"child-bereft" - it's not used that much anymore but definitely part of the English 19th Century lexicon.
Can you provide some links to 19th century books that use "child-bereft?"
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Re: What is the "opposite" of orphan?
Reminds me of this from season 1 episode 9 of Six Feet Under:
https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Six_Feet_Under
Brenda: You know what I find interesting? If you lose a spouse, you're called a widow or a widower. If you're a child and you lose your parents, then you're an orphan. But what's the word to describe a parent who loses a child? I guess that's just too f***ing awful to even have a name.
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Re: What is the "opposite" of orphan?
I'm not totally clear I understand what you are asking. If the child is an orphan because he was taken away from a neglectful parent or the parent has abandoned the child the parent is called a deadbeat or deserter. If the child is an orphan because the parent died the parent is called dead.
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Doitsujin wrote:I've never seen it used like that in old books and Google Books also doesn't show any matches for 19th books with this particular meaning.zenmonkey wrote:"child-bereft" - it's not used that much anymore but definitely part of the English 19th Century lexicon.
Can you provide some links to 19th century books that use "child-bereft?"
Links to books?
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1848 Sharpe's London Mag. Nov. 22/2 How calmly does he rebuke the intemperate grief of the child-bereft Constance!
1899 Outlook 23 Dec. 955/2 The vacant chair and the silence of a child-bereft home.
Thinking about this, the construct is likelier to be "bereft of a child", I would presume.
Joseph Smith writes of "a mother bereft of a child".
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James29 wrote:I'm not totally clear I understand what you are asking. If the child is an orphan because he was taken away from a neglectful parent or the parent has abandoned the child the parent is called a deadbeat or deserter. If the child is an orphan because the parent died the parent is called dead.
The question is right there: " what do you call a parent who loses a child?"
Bereft, in mourning, etc...
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The only term I'm familiar with in American English is "gold star mother" and "gold star father"--and this only applies to a parent whose child died in the military.
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Re: What is the "opposite" of orphan?
zenmonkey wrote:
https://books.google.de/books?id=iFxgAAAAcAAJ
1848 Sharpe's London Mag. Nov. 22/2 How calmly does he rebuke the intemperate grief of the child-bereft Constance!
1899 Outlook 23 Dec. 955/2 The vacant chair and the silence of a child-bereft home.
Those two happen to be the first two citations given in the OED. Interestingly the remaining two are much more recent:
1990 Jrnl. Arabic Lit. 21 145 The wailing of child-bereft women.
2009 S. Kelso Riversend i. 6 A child-bereft woman's grief.
There's also a hit in the Guardian in 2003.
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