How do you pronounce LLORG and HTLAL?

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Re: How do you pronounce LLORG and HTLAL?

Postby rdearman » Sun Aug 05, 2018 9:18 pm

Hashimi wrote:For some reason, I pronounce the LL as a voiced palatal fricative (Spanish influence?), and another member pronounce it as a voiceless alveolar lateral (like in Welsh). As for HTLAL, I have to add a schwa between the H and T.

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I always say it LL org (el el org) and HTLAL I always say it in full (How to learn any language)... Don't know why.
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Re: How do you pronounce LLORG and HTLAL?

Postby picklelanguage » Sun Aug 05, 2018 9:21 pm

Too lazy to look up the IPA for this, but LLORG somewhere along the lines of luh-lorg (where luh rhymes with the) and HTLAL is hit-lol
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Re: How do you pronounce LLORG and HTLAL?

Postby iguanamon » Sun Aug 05, 2018 9:27 pm

Q How do you pronounce LLORG and HTLAL?
A "The forum" and "the old forum".
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Re: How do you pronounce LLORG and HTLAL?

Postby vonPeterhof » Sun Aug 05, 2018 9:46 pm

[ɫːork]
[xəˈt͡ɬaɫ]
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Re: How do you pronounce LLORG and HTLAL?

Postby jeff_lindqvist » Sun Aug 05, 2018 10:48 pm

I know I wrote down the IPA in a post somewhere, but can't find it now. vonPeterhof's pronunciation is close enough to mine (which is similar to the Irish word gorm - [ɡɔɾˠəmˠ], but of course with a Welsh ll at the beginning and a hard g at the end - maybe [ɬɔɾˠəɡ]?)

But in 99% of the cases, I just call the two places "the forum" and the old forum" (like Iguanamon). (Family members, colleagues and friends can confirm. 8-) )

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Re: How do you pronounce LLORG and HTLAL?

Postby eido » Sun Aug 05, 2018 11:22 pm

Luh-org and Eych-lawl. I ignore the T in the acronym for some reason. I'm too lazy to fight my fledgling IPA skills to write the transcription for you.
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Re: How do you pronounce LLORG and HTLAL?

Postby vonPeterhof » Sun Aug 05, 2018 11:28 pm

jeff_lindqvist wrote:but of course with a Welsh ll at the beginning and a hard g at the end - maybe [ɫɔɾˠəɡ]?

The Welsh ll is ɬ though - ɫ is just the regular "dark L". I only chose it because it sounds more natural before an [o] as a Russian speaker, but I think in Albanian the digraph ll is specifically used for that sound (which makes for an interesting contrast to its use for /ʎ/ in the languages of Spain).
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Re: How do you pronounce LLORG and HTLAL?

Postby zenmonkey » Mon Aug 06, 2018 12:00 am

Past imperfect.
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Re: How do you pronounce LLORG and HTLAL?

Postby vonPeterhof » Mon Aug 06, 2018 5:17 am

Hashimi wrote:I have a question for you: What is the difference between ʐ and ʑ? I've always thought that ʑ is the common sound in Russian, and I was surprised when I read that it's obsolete and that what I usually hear is a retroflex. Is this true?

Yes, the retroflex /ʐ/ is the default sound represented by the letter ж. It's a "hard" consonant that, as far as standard Russian phonology is concerned, doesn't have a "soft" equivalent. Nevertheless, the "soft" [ʑ(ː)] does appear in some people's dialects/idiolects in forms like дождя [dɐˈʑːa] and дрожжи [ˈdroʑːɪ] (as opposed to [dɐʐˈdʲa] and [ˈdroʐːɨ]); some people also pronounce the ж in certain loanwords as [ʑ], like жюри [ʑʉˈrʲi] (as opposed to [ʐʊˈrʲi]). The soft ж in Slavic words was traditionally a marker of a Moscow accent as opposed to a Saint Petersburg one, and back when the Russian alphabet was being reformed in the early 20th century there was apparently talk of introducing the letter җ to represent it, but the sound was ultimately deemed too marginal to require a letter. Nowadays even in Moscow you don't really hear people say [dɐˈʑːa] all that much, at least in my experience. I personally never use [ʑː] in Slavic words, but I may sometimes use the pronunciation [ʑʉˈrʲi] for жюри, though I can't be sure how consistently.
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Re: How do you pronounce LLORG and HTLAL?

Postby smallwhite » Mon Aug 06, 2018 6:26 am

LLorg same as Yorg.

HTLAL I read the five letters, aych tee el ay el.
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