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Re: Football and languages

Postby Speakeasy » Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:28 pm

rdearman wrote:
Speakeasy wrote: real football teams, not soccer teams

It isn't football if you use your hands!

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brilliantyears wrote: ... A sport played with your hands and not with your feet simply cannot be called football ...
Actually, it should be called something like "Rugby, American Rules", but that would never sell.


Football > Soccer > Rugby >>>> Rugby, American Rules (sic)

The following history of Football/Soccer/Rugby is drawn from the “England Rugby” website:

“There were at least seven schools playing their own version of what was known as “football” of the 19th century. These were: Eaton, Harrow, Charterhouse, Westminster, Winchester, Shrewsbury, Rugby. These games of “football” bore little relation to modern soccer and were run and managed by the boys with no influence from the masters.

They were largely derived from the riotous handling and kicking “folk football” games of the Middle Ages, when a village would play against a neighbouring village over large areas of ground and with very few (if any) rules. There were many similarities between the different versions of “football” played by the boys at these schools. Each game used a single ball, two teams, two “goals” and a rectangular pitch with a centre line running parallel to the goal lines.

At Eaton, “football” was known as the “Field Game” – the famous “Wall Game” is a later derivative. Most of the schoolboys allowed players to handle the ball, for example being able to catch a ball and claim “a mark.” However, there were core differences between each school’s version of “football” and when boys of these various schools wanted to continue playing football at university, there was a problem.

Boys who had been to Eaton could play against boys who had been to Eaton and boys who had been to Harrow could play against boys who had been to Harrow, but they could not play against each other. If players from a number of schools took part in a match there was usually chaos. It is reported that when, in one such game, boys who had been to Rugby started running with ball in the hands, the boys from Eaton howled in anger.

We have reports of a particular match between Eatonians and Harronians at Cambridge University in November, 1862. The rules for this “compromise” game seem to have been produced by taking the rules common to both and eliminating the rest. On other occasions (when teams had to decide between conflicting rules) one set of rules was played in the first half and the other in the second half.

An attempt was made to create a single compromise code that would allow everyone to play against each other without disagreement. This was the formation of the Football Association. The word “soccer” was derived from the word “association.” It was never the intention, however, that this compromise code would take over from all the other school rules and eventually drive them into extinction – which is exactly what happened when soccer’s popularity exploded.

At the original meetings of the Football Association in 1863, clubs were invited to attend regardless of the type of football they played. As a consequence, there were members of teams such as Blackheath, who played football according to the Rugby School rules, in attendance. The delegate from Blackheath, Francis Campbell, walked out after a few FA meetings when it became clear that hacking (tackling below the knee) would not be allowed. He must have realized that running with the ball in the hands (the major distinguishing feature of the Rugby School football game) was also under pressure from the other delegates.

The original laws of Association Football allowed the ball to be caught and “a mark” to be made. However, with the departure of the delegate most vocally in favour of Rugby School football, the FA soon removed most of the handling laws and the brand new game of “soccer” became a mainly dribbling game. Evidence of soccer’s early handling can still be seen through the goalkeeper and throw-ins.

Players from the major public schools were, over time, happy to accept the brand new game of soccer. However, the boys who had played “football” at Rugby, found that the difference was too great and they continued to play “their” football. So, Rugby School’s football not only survived, but prospered, while the others largely vanished. By 1871, the clubs who were playing “rugby football”, as it was now commonly known, needed their own governing body. The RFU (Rugby Football Union) was formed and split between rugby and the rest was complete.”


Lesson of the day? Yes, you can call it "football" and still touch it with your hands!

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Re: Football and languages

Postby Serpent » Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:55 pm

Let's please either move on or start a separate thread on football vs soccer. :D
Mod note: This thread is about association football (soccer). Future posts about (American) football vs soccer will be deleted.
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Re: Football and languages

Postby Serpent » Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:00 pm

Jaleel asked me to share some Spanish links about football. I kept planning to make a perfect post but I guess I'll just get started now and edit later :D

First, imo it will be more fun if you choose a side between Real Madrid/Barcelona. You don't have to, of course :D But many people who support other clubs still have a preference out of these two.

The biggest sport newspapers are Marca http://www.marca.com/ (a bit biased for RM) and El Mundo Deportivo https://www.mundodeportivo.com/ (a bit biased for Barcelona). They have a lot of influence and insider info, and depending on the context some things can be treated as an official announcement.

Other news sites:
https://as.com
http://www.goal.com/es

I think all these sites have English translations of their articles (goal.com is also available in many other languages, but I don't know how much the content overlaps)

Twitter accounts
https://twitter.com/2010MisterChip Really impressive stats, including some weird coincidences. There's an English version of the account
https://twitter.com/OptaJose stats by Opta, every tweet is in English and Spanish
https://twitter.com/OptaJavier same but focuses on Latin American football
https://twitter.com/SpheraSports a group of connected accounts on different football/sport topics. some are no longer active, for example those on Danish football or the football in the former USSR.
https://twitter.com/Juezcentral trivia
https://twitter.com/EtJ95 football fan and history nerd
https://twitter.com/horademoscu a football fan from Argentina who lives in Moscow
https://twitter.com/MinutoRuso a more structured account about Russian football
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Re: Football and languages

Postby Jaleel10 » Thu Sep 27, 2018 6:39 am

Thank you very much, Serpent. You're a legend for this! Immediately subscribed to all of those Twitter accounts.

I already knew of the Madrid/Barca Marca/MundoDepor rivalry and biases. Long time Madrid support over here ;)

Thanks again, Serpent. You just made my day!

I can recommend you something as well:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCI6Uqg ... DQ7mO48qRw This is Rafa Escrig, a Spanish journalist who produces lots of quality content pertaining to the Spanish league.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrdkdZ ... xsw/videos This is Charlas de Fútbol. Just three dudes discussing popular football stories from around the world.
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Re: Football and languages

Postby Serpent » Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:04 pm

I see :D Then you'll also like @RSIETE7 and @JLSanchez78.

@SpheraSports tweet a lot. Check out their lists - https://twitter.com/SpheraSports/lists and subscribe to individual accounts on topics that interest you.
@EtJ95 is an atlético fan. he tweets about all sorts of football-related stuff, but yeah just a warning :lol:
It's also a great idea to get to know ordinary fans through twitter or other social media.

You also asked about movies etc... well I've only seen Días del fútbol, can't say I recommend it :P
There are of course many books about football in Spanish... I find that biographies are relatively easy, especially those written in the first person.
I don't know the situation with shipping but at least bookdepository does ship to South Africa.
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Re: Football and languages

Postby Kraut » Sun Sep 30, 2018 6:02 pm

Icelandic polyglot player Finnbogason in interview after two years in Germany:


17/18 // Finnbogason im Interview // "Können jeden schlagen"

https://www.bild.de/sport/fussball/alfred-finnbogason/ich-lerne-deutsch-durch-tv-nachrichten-48383284.bild.html




Augsburgs Isländer Alfred Finnbogason (27) spricht über den EM-Hype, sein Sprachtalent und warum er an eine Pokalsensation gegen die Bayern glaubt.



Isländisch, englisch, niederländisch, schwedisch, spanisch, deutsch und italienisch. Sie sprechen sieben Sprachen!

Finnbogason: „Für mich gehört es zu einem Fußball-Profi dazu, in dem Land, in dem man länger spielt, auch die Sprache zu lernen. Einmal in der Woche kommt ein Deutschlehrer zu mir und wir gehen die Grammatik durch. Die ist in Deutschland wirklich schwer, besonders die Artikel. Der, die, das – das folgt keiner Regel, das muss ich einfach lernen. Was mir aber hilft, ist das Fernsehen.“

Wie bitte?

Finnbogason: „In Spanien habe ich viel Kinder-Fernsehen gesehen, da sprechen sie einfacher und deutlich – ideal zum Lernen. Hier in Deutschland ist die Sprache auf dem Kinderkanal etwas zu schnell, daher schaue ich viele Nachrichten.“
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Re: Football and languages

Postby Kraut » Mon Dec 03, 2018 11:57 pm

Interview with ex- Real Madrid/Bayern München player Paul Breitner

Charla con histórico alemán Paul Breitner

El histórico jugador Alemán Paul Breitner estuvo en los estudio de Camerino Abierto, para conversar sobre el Bayern, el Real Madrid, la selección de su país y más. Una entrevista para NY1 Noticias


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LqRNLZcguc
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Re: Football and languages

Postby Random Review » Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:44 am

Serpent wrote:First, imo it will be more fun if you choose a side between Real Madrid/Barcelona.


I suppose I'd have to go Barcelona on that one then. Does that mean I have to learn Catalan some day? :lol:

I'm not the biggest fan of Barça, but I'd definitely prefer them over Real or Atlético Madrid. Strange really. I love the city of Madrid and the people are unusually friendly for a big city, I miss it a lot; but I still can't stand their big two clubs. The one strikes me as the "establishment club" that gets all the decisions and the other (although the logical part of my brain says it seems like a good club) has a bit of "history" with my own club. :lol:

Luckily there are other teams in Madrid!
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Re: Football and languages

Postby Serpent » Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:09 am

So on Saturday Luka Modrić got a scary injury that fortunately didn't turn out serious. He continued playing and even scored a goal :D They won 2:0 against Sevilla.
After the match he joked that he got "más de tres puntos" :? In Spanish punto means both point and stitch :( I guess originally it was a doctor or teammate who made the joke but still cool to see him joking in Spanish 8-)

The reports in Croatian referred to the eyebrow as arkada :shock: Never realized there's such a distinction, I thought in most languages eyebrow means both the line of hair and the part of the face :roll:
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Re: Football and languages

Postby Serpent » Fri Mar 20, 2020 10:33 pm

Real Madrid has a channel you can watch online. Replays of El Clásico and RM-Atlético coming soon :D One of the commentators is Roberto Carlos.
https://www.realmadrid.com/real-madrid-tv

(During live matches they don't show what's happening on the pitch, only the sidelines, fans, stadium etc)

They also show some movies but I think you can only view them from Spain.

This is not related to covid-19 btw. Meanwhile Juventus' channel is subscription-only but right now it's available for free.
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