Tagalog vs Cebuano

General discussion about learning languages
User avatar
leosmith
Green Belt
Posts: 431
Joined: Thu Sep 29, 2016 10:06 pm
Location: Seattle
Languages: English (N)
Actively learning Tagalog (~B1)
Maintaining Spanish (~C1), Thai (~B2+), Russian (~B2+), French (~B2+), Mandarin (~B2), Japanese (~B2), Korean (~B2)
All but forgotten Swahili (~B1)
Language Log: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=5054
x 866

Tagalog vs Cebuano

Postby leosmith » Sun Apr 15, 2018 7:53 pm

I enjoy the Philippines, and I can communicate pretty well there most of the time. Most people speak pretty good english, my native tongue. And now my Tagalog is about B1, so that helps me understand more of what's going on around me, and can get me out of a jam now and then. But it's becoming more clear to me that the chances of meeting people who speak Tagalog well but English poorly are pretty slim. I'd pretty much have to create that situation, travel to smaller towns in Luzon, talk to older people in less affluent settings. I don't do that. When I go to Luzon, I normally just stay in Makati, then I take trips to beautiful tourist destinations by plane.

But I'm constantly running into native Cebuano speakers who have poor english and mediocre Tagalog. So I'm thinking about learning Cebuano, and I want to know how hard it would be to pick it up. Question:

Are Cebuano and Tagalog roughly as similar as French and Spanish, or do they differ by as much as English and Spanish?
1 x
: 68 / 100Tagalog conversation with italki tutors (total 100 hours)

Speakeasy
Brown Belt
Posts: 1138
Joined: Mon Jul 20, 2015 5:19 pm
Location: Canada (Montréal region)
Languages: English (N), French (C2). Studying: Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, German, Dutch, Polish, and Russian; all with widely varying degrees of application, enthusiasm, and success.
x 2822

Re: Tagalog vs Cebuano

Postby Speakeasy » Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:36 pm

I have never studied either Tagalog or Cebuano. Nevertheless, born of a genuine desire to assist a fellow forum member, I conducted a couple of quick searches and came up with the following links. So then, apparently the two languages are completely different from one another or ... they’re not so different. Hopefully, Stelle will see this discussion thread and respond. If not, perhaps you could post your question on her log, as well.

How different are Cebuano and Tagalog? – Quora
https://www.quora.com/How-different-are-Cebuano-and-Tagalog

Are Tagalog and Cebuano different a lot?? - italki
https://www.italki.com/question/76340

Tagalog vs Cebuano – YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAnxTgsk2KQ

Tagalog vs Cebuano – Lonely Planet
https://www.lonelyplanet.com/thorntree/forums/asia-south-east-asia-islands-peninsula/philippines/tagalog-vs-cebuano

Languages of the Philippines - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_the_Philippines

Is Tagalog Dying? - HTLAL
http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=25355&PN=24&TPN=1

Adventures in Cebuano, etc. (Goldlist) - HTLAL
http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/fOrum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35337&PN=16&TPN=1

Similarities and Dissimilarities in Meaning and Usage of Some Cebuano and Tagalog Words - Liberacion Narvios Tecson
https://www.xlibris.com/bookstore/bookdetail.aspx?bookid=SKU-000943513

https://www.amazon.co.uk/SIMILARITIES-DISSIMILARITIES-MEANING-CEBUANO-TAGALOG/dp/1499047215

EDITED:
Typos, of course.
Last edited by Speakeasy on Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:22 pm, edited 1 time in total.
2 x

Whodathunkitz
Green Belt
Posts: 369
Joined: Mon Dec 26, 2016 7:40 pm
Languages: English (N), Cebuano (basic spoken daily, best L2), Spanish (beginner, but can read), Esperanto (beginner and not maintained)
Language Log: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=5133&start=30
x 234

Re: Tagalog vs Cebuano

Postby Whodathunkitz » Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:07 pm

leosmith wrote:I enjoy the Philippines, and I can communicate pretty well there most of the time. Most people speak pretty good english, my native tongue. And now my Tagalog is about B1, so that helps me understand more of what's going on around me, and can get me out of a jam now and then. But it's becoming more clear to me that the chances of meeting people who speak Tagalog well but English poorly are pretty slim. I'd pretty much have to create that situation, travel to smaller towns in Luzon, talk to older people in less affluent settings. I don't do that. When I go to Luzon, I normally just stay in Makati, then I take trips to beautiful tourist destinations by plane.

But I'm constantly running into native Cebuano speakers who have poor english and mediocre Tagalog. So I'm thinking about learning Cebuano, and I want to know how hard it would be to pick it up. Question:

Are Cebuano and Tagalog roughly as similar as French and Spanish, or do they differ by as much as English and Spanish?


Short answer - I'm not sure, but maybe Romanian and Spanish?

Long answer -

I think myself and https://forum.language-learners.org/mem ... ile&u=1082 know the most about Cebuano.

I'm a beginner at language learning and he is a ployglot. I've spent probably around 2 years actively learning Cebuano ( Bisaya / Binisaya ) and it is my strongest spoken language. I speak it in a basic way every day.

The below aren't facts, but what I have observed, been told by others.

I have been told that Cebuano speakers are often better at English than Tagalog speakers. Tagalog speakers can be immersed in Taglish all the time. Cebuano speakers often have limited media in Cebuano (even in Cebu you can't always pick up Cebuano TV) - so use English media more (but Taglish too). I think an Ilocano or smaller language speaker might be better too - as to function, they often have to be polyglots and so have the skills to learn other languages.

Until recently school were in English medium. Tagalog is taught formally like a foreign language and used less than English. At younger ages, explanations are in Cebuano but the books are in English.

Many Cebuano speakers HATE speaking Tagalog and would prefer to speak English. There seems to be some kind of "humour" / perceived discrimination when Cebuanos speak Tagalog. For this reason, many avoid doing so. The cultures are NOT the same. I don't want to generalise in a public forum, but I perceive differences and others comment on them.

There is more Spanish in Cebuano than Tagalog. Lots of English in both ( Ceblish / Taglish). Taglish being an option on ATMs. Cebuano has evolved rapidly over the last few years and until Facebook was oral (for most purposes). Bisaya (Mindanao as well as Cebu) can be different but many of our friends are from Mindanao and there seem few misunderstandings.

When I spoke to a Malay speaker in Singapore, he told me that he and his Cebuana wife had few problems communicating and he suggested the languages (Malay/Cebuano) were close. The great Cebu hero Lapu-Lapu came from Borneo. So you have to view how languages arrived and geography a bit differently. The sea was the way to move, not over land. Land used to be pretty empty - so if you had a disagreement, head off with some others, find some empty place and settle (then defend against slavers). I don't know if malaria etc limited population sizes and led to smaller, more diverse communities. The word for an area comes from the word for ship.

Others have told me that Malay and Cebuano are closer than Tagalog.

Cebuano is more widely spoken than Tagalog. Tagalog use is generally in Luzon, with pockets elsewhere including some in Mindanao.

In the south and central regions, Cebuano has always been the Lingua Franca.

I'm constantly hearing the same words (to my ears) in Tagalog as Cebuano - but sometimes with vowel shifts and different meanings. Lungsod is town in Cebuano but has a related (but different) usage in Taglish.

If stuck for vocab, turn an English or Spanish word into a verb or noun so you can mo-empathise or show pag-empathy.

The best guide so far (for me) is 130 pages long and if you have done Tagalog before (let alone Korean and others!) - probably easy for you.

CEBUANO
LANGUAGE OBJECTIVES
MISSIONARY TRAINING CENTER
30 MAY 2002

Send private messages for more info.

As regards travel, Cebu is pretty built up. Dumaguete might be nice (not been) - but I found Mindanao really nice, but with security concerns (for some).
7 x
2018 Cebuano SuperChallenge 1 May 2018-Dec 2019
: 10 / 600 SC days:
: 3 / 1250 Read (2000 words):
: 241 / 9000 Video (15 minutes):
Daily target in brackets.

Whodathunkitz
Green Belt
Posts: 369
Joined: Mon Dec 26, 2016 7:40 pm
Languages: English (N), Cebuano (basic spoken daily, best L2), Spanish (beginner, but can read), Esperanto (beginner and not maintained)
Language Log: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=5133&start=30
x 234

Re: Tagalog vs Cebuano

Postby Whodathunkitz » Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:19 pm

Listen to the bible in Cebuano and then switch to Tagalog.

Some Tagalog words in the Cebuano version (lalawigan should be probinsiya according to my tutor).

http://listen.bible.is/CEBPVV/Mark/1
1 x
2018 Cebuano SuperChallenge 1 May 2018-Dec 2019
: 10 / 600 SC days:
: 3 / 1250 Read (2000 words):
: 241 / 9000 Video (15 minutes):
Daily target in brackets.

Online
User avatar
Xenops
Blue Belt
Posts: 781
Joined: Mon Nov 30, 2015 10:33 pm
Location: Boston
Languages: English (N), French (A2), Japanese (rusty A2)
Language Log: https://forum.language-learners.org/vie ... =15&t=7472
x 1349
Contact:

Re: Tagalog vs Cebuano

Postby Xenops » Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:39 pm

I would also like to note that there are a couple of courses on Live Lingua, but sadly no audio: https://www.livelingua.com/courses/Cebuano/
2 x
: 32 / 113 Assimil New French with Ease
: 11 / 52 French in Action


Check out my comic at: http://rosamondgrey.smackjeeves.com/

Whodathunkitz
Green Belt
Posts: 369
Joined: Mon Dec 26, 2016 7:40 pm
Languages: English (N), Cebuano (basic spoken daily, best L2), Spanish (beginner, but can read), Esperanto (beginner and not maintained)
Language Log: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=5133&start=30
x 234

Re: Tagalog vs Cebuano

Postby Whodathunkitz » Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:49 am

From someone wiser than me....

http://polydog.org/index.php?threads/mu ... l-log.393/
#7 / #8

Not counting resources, do you think Cebuano is more difficult than Tagalog?
Big_Dog, Nov 2, 2014


I would say that the difficulty is exactly the same. As much as you might read about how the grammar is different, those differences are minor. The major differences are in vocabulary.
Bob, Nov 3, 2014
1 x
2018 Cebuano SuperChallenge 1 May 2018-Dec 2019
: 10 / 600 SC days:
: 3 / 1250 Read (2000 words):
: 241 / 9000 Video (15 minutes):
Daily target in brackets.

User avatar
sfuqua
Blue Belt
Posts: 955
Joined: Sun Jul 19, 2015 5:05 am
Location: san jose, california
Languages: English(N),
Samoan(FSI 4+, rusty),
Tagalog (use daily),
Spanish (study)
French (study)
Portuguese (daydream)
Italian (daydream)
Language Log: http://how-to-learn-any-language.org/vi ... f=15&t=772
x 2176

Re: Tagalog vs Cebuano

Postby sfuqua » Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:45 pm

My wife is a native speaker of Cebuano and I'm a strong nonnative speaker of Tagalog. I can't speak Cebuano at all based on my Tagalog knowledge. I can't understand my wife and her Cebuano speaking friends/family as well as I can understand Portuguese or Italian based on my mediocre knowledge of Spanish.
I have never put any effort into learning Cebuano, and I've always felt guilty about it :D
4 x
I'm trying to become an outstanding tourist in French and Spanish.
I use Tagalog every day.
I'm working on reading 5000 pages and listening to 9000 minutes of both Spanish and French.

User avatar
Henkkles
Orange Belt
Posts: 177
Joined: Thu Apr 07, 2016 2:13 pm
Location: Finland
Languages: Finnish (N)
English (adv+)
Swedish (int+)
Russian (int)
Estonian (int)
working on:
North Saami
x 449

Re: Tagalog vs Cebuano

Postby Henkkles » Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:25 pm

Austronesian
>Malayo-Polynesian
>>Borneo-Philippine
>>>Philippine
>>>>Central Philippine languages
>>>>>Tagalog dialect continuum
>>>>>>Tagalog
>>>>>Visayan archipelago dialect continuum
>>>>>>Cebuano

I'd estimate that they share a common ancestor possibly 2,000 years ago, so they're not mutually intelligible but share lots of similar structure and basic vocabulary.
2 x

Whodathunkitz
Green Belt
Posts: 369
Joined: Mon Dec 26, 2016 7:40 pm
Languages: English (N), Cebuano (basic spoken daily, best L2), Spanish (beginner, but can read), Esperanto (beginner and not maintained)
Language Log: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=5133&start=30
x 234

Re: Tagalog vs Cebuano

Postby Whodathunkitz » Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:06 pm

sfuqua wrote:My wife is a native speaker of Cebuano and I'm a strong nonnative speaker of Tagalog. I can't speak Cebuano at all based on my Tagalog knowledge. I can't understand my wife and her Cebuano speaking friends/family as well as I can understand Portuguese or Italian based on my mediocre knowledge of Spanish.
I have never put any effort into learning Cebuano, and I've always felt guilty about it :D


I don't doubt you and it chimes with what Cebuanos say about Tagalog.

I still find it amazing and daunting as Tagalog is on my list. Another mountain to climb is a bit of a worry.

I was hoping that once I got the hang of one of these languages the other would be simple.

Oh dear.
0 x
2018 Cebuano SuperChallenge 1 May 2018-Dec 2019
: 10 / 600 SC days:
: 3 / 1250 Read (2000 words):
: 241 / 9000 Video (15 minutes):
Daily target in brackets.

User avatar
sfuqua
Blue Belt
Posts: 955
Joined: Sun Jul 19, 2015 5:05 am
Location: san jose, california
Languages: English(N),
Samoan(FSI 4+, rusty),
Tagalog (use daily),
Spanish (study)
French (study)
Portuguese (daydream)
Italian (daydream)
Language Log: http://how-to-learn-any-language.org/vi ... f=15&t=772
x 2176

Re: Tagalog vs Cebuano

Postby sfuqua » Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:26 pm

I bet there are a ton of similarities that I don't know enough Cebuano to recognize.
,
One advantage you have about learning either language is the wonderful, supportive attitude Filipinos have for anybody trying to learn one of their languages. :D
3 x
I'm trying to become an outstanding tourist in French and Spanish.
I use Tagalog every day.
I'm working on reading 5000 pages and listening to 9000 minutes of both Spanish and French.


Return to “General Language Discussion”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: aledda, Xenops and 1 guest