Study on Language Improvement with Native Materials

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Re: Study on Language Improvement with Native Materials

Postby rdearman » Sun Mar 25, 2018 12:24 pm

I thought it was time to give a summary of this study. However, it isn't possible. The only people who have participated are three members of the control group. The only real conclusion I can draw from the study is that people will study the way they want. The three members of the control group have progressed using the methods they were going to use anyway.

It wouldn't be appropriate for me to give out information of the control group, since it would be very difficult to randomise results for three people in the control group. I cannot publish any information since it is impossible to do a comparison.
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Postby smallwhite » Sun Mar 25, 2018 1:22 pm

rdearman wrote:The only people who have participated are three members of the control group.

How many little Indian boys were there to start with?
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Re: Study on Language Improvement with Native Materials

Postby Stefan » Sun Mar 25, 2018 2:35 pm

rdearman wrote:I thought it was time to give a summary of this study. However, it isn't possible. The only people who have participated are three members of the control group. The only real conclusion I can draw from the study is that people will study the way they want. The three members of the control group have progressed using the methods they were going to use anyway.

Shame to hear, I was really looking forward to seeing the results.

With this said, the main reason to why I decided to not participate myself was due to my track record. I'm fairly sure I would have been among the people not completing the study. Learning anything is a major commitment.
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Postby rdearman » Sun Mar 25, 2018 3:45 pm

smallwhite wrote:
rdearman wrote:The only people who have participated are three members of the control group.

How many little Indian boys were there to start with?

There were 23 participants initially.
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Re: Study on Language Improvement with Native Materials

Postby Dragon27 » Sun Mar 25, 2018 4:01 pm

rdearman wrote:There were 23 participants initially.

Well, that's an interesting piece of statistics by itself (:
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Re: Study on Language Improvement with Native Materials

Postby iguanamon » Sun Mar 25, 2018 4:35 pm

rdearman wrote:I thought it was time to give a summary of this study. However, it isn't possible. The only people who have participated are three members of the control group. The only real conclusion I can draw from the study is that people will study the way they want. ... There were 23 participants initially.

And so goes yet another attempt to "herd cats" on the forum. Self language-learning, by definition, is highly individual. We see this every day here on the forum. It's one of the main reasons why we never see any academic studies (perhaps reineke knows of some) done on what we do as individual self-learners. It's one of the reasons why group projects here rarely if ever succeed- TAC, group book reading, etc. People will study the way they want to study. We keep trying to get people together and quantify the, perhaps, not quantifiable... with the same inevitable results. At least you tried.
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Re: Study on Language Improvement with Native Materials

Postby smallwhite » Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:58 am

rdearman wrote:three members of the control group

rdearman wrote:There were 23 participants initially.


1945 version by Agatha Christie, 2018 remix by smallwhite...

Ten little Indian boys stood at the study's starting line,
One couldn't find an Assimil and then there were nine.
Nine little Indian boys sat up very late,
One caught a cold and then there were eight.
Eight little Indian boys travelling in Devon,
One couldn't find a tutor and then there were seven.
Seven little Indian boys chopping up sticks,
One caved to wanderlust and then there were six.
Six little Indian boys playing with a hive,
One had guests over and then there were five.
Five little Indian boys going in for law,
One prefered boating and then there were four.
Four little Indian boys going out to sea,
One landed a new job and then there were three.
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Re: Study on Language Improvement with Native Materials

Postby reineke » Mon Mar 26, 2018 5:01 am

Don't feel bad about it. This is no different than that phrasebook project.
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Re: Study on Language Improvement with Native Materials

Postby smallwhite » Mon Mar 26, 2018 5:58 am

But we had a progress-monitoring system. There should not be any surprises at this point - end of month 8. I don't think the 20 people submitted their timesheets diligently for 5 months and then suddenly MIA'ed after month 6. How many timesheets were received at the end of months 3 and 5?
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Re: Study on Language Improvement with Native Materials

Postby rdearman » Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:30 am

smallwhite wrote:But we had a progress-monitoring system. There should not be any surprises at this point - end of month 8. I don't think the 20 people submitted their timesheets diligently for 5 months and then suddenly MIA'ed after month 6. How many timesheets were received at the end of months 3 and 5?

EOM 3 = 1 (yours)
EOM 5 = 2
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