leosmith wrote:smallwhite wrote:So you're defining grindage as applying effort to recall something for 2 seconds or more?
yes
Thank you for answering my questions, for answering them one by one, and for answering all of them.
I'm interested in this topic because I've also noticed magic about the recalling process. And the "2 seconds" extra bit got me thinking.
leosmith wrote:What is your learning goal when you say "should"? Should xxx in order to learn faster, in order to learn better, to make learning more enjoyable, to prevent burnout which is important because if you burnout you simply give up, etc.
I think you sort of answered your own question. I do grindage to improve my efficiency, but I know from experience that too much has a detrimental effect, for example.
Then no one would answer "as much as possible", no?
I find learning faster/better and having fun/preventing burnout to be contradictory goals. And having contradictory goals is a pain. To have cake or to eat cake?
leosmith wrote:Quantity (number of times of recall attempt) or time duration each attempt (5 seconds better than 2 seconds) or total duration of recalling or intensity?
I was thinking total accumulated time, but maybe the factors you mention are better indicators; I'm not sure.
First of all, my experience is consistent with the "Testing Effect"(?) hypothesis(?) - revision by recalling aids memory more than revision by just looking.
I also find it beneficial (aids memory) to keep trying to recall until I get the answer, instead of giving up and looking at the answer. In this sense, grindage should be as much as possible. If grindage per instance (per card) cannot be near zero (instantaneous recall) then it should be as much as possible (should keep trying).
But having to spend 2s+ to recall a fact means you don't know your material well enough. You don't want to spend 20+ seconds to string together a 10-word sentence (2s x 10words). You want instantaneous recall of facts instead. In this sense, grindage should be as little as possible. Total grindage time should be as little as possible.
So I can't answer the poll.
Your question is similar to the question "Should we be making more or fewer mistakes?"
I also find it unnecessary to call "trying to recall things for 2 seconds or more" "grindage". So "trying to recall things for 5 seconds or more" will be called "grindment"?
The things you've noticed about grindage, and the difference you've noticed between Luca and Arguelles and you, are probably just good ol' "intensity" instead of "grindage". Unless they're not actually better than you.
And to answer the poll - I like to "divide and conquer", to break difficult and thus annoying tasks into easier sub-tasks. Better to do more easy tasks than to do fewer difficult tasks. In this sense, I think grindage should be as little as possible.