Re: Listening vs Comprehension (and the case against TV) [interesting article]
Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 4:40 pm
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YtownPolyglot wrote:If you're a true beginner in a language, intensive TV viewing and listening does more for your prosody than anything else.
If you're at A1 or A2, you should start to recognize some common words and cognates. You may pick up a few words and phrases through context. Television may help you some with pronunciation.
If you're at B1 or B2, you should pick up a few words and phrases. This is a level where you should begin to understand more and more of what you are seeing and hearing.
If you're at C1 and C2, you are in a position to develop a more natural sounding version of the language. You'll pick up informal expressions and constructions, and your accent will sound closer to what the natives are producing.
The problem with "thousands of hours" is that there are only 168 hours in any week, and you will want to eat, sleep, etc. Even great input from television is not all you need. You should do things that are substantially more active and get feedback to really learn a language. it reminds me of the old cereal commercials, where they say that the brand advertised was "part of a balanced breakfast," and not the whole thing.
YtownPolyglot wrote:The problem with "thousands of hours" is that there are only 168 hours in any week, and you will want to eat, sleep, etc. Even great input from television is not all you need. You should do things that are substantially more active and get feedback to really learn a language. it reminds me of the old cereal commercials, where they say that the brand advertised was "part of a balanced breakfast," and not the whole thing.
...which is what English speakers never are when learning a Romance or Germanic language (okay, I mean the major languages... not necessarily Romanian, Sardinian or Icelandic )YtownPolyglot wrote:If you're a true beginner in a language
Cavesa wrote:I think we need to look at efficiency as the result over a larger time period, such as a month. I highly doubt you can force yourself to do enough intensive listening as needed in one month to have the same results as with one month of extensive binge watching. I don't know many people who would stay concentrated and not desperate after an hour of intensive activities, as described by the author of the article.
Cavesa wrote:From my experience, it's not thousands of hours. It's more like 200-300 hours (talking about relatively easy languages, not Mandarin or Arabic). 200-300 hours of binge watching are not that much of a problem.
Hey author, getting to high enough level of comprehension to spend a month fully in the langauge in just 6 weeks with extensive listening, that was not efficient? Do your students, with all your dissected 2 minute long bits, get from A2ish listening to C1ish listening in 6 weeks?
smallwhite wrote:an you reach B2 in Cat I & II languages with 10 to 20 hours of TV?
blaurebell wrote:smallwhite wrote:Can you reach B2 in Cat I & II languages with 10 to 20 hours of TV?
If you have the vocabulary in place you can probably just about pass a B2 exam on 2 seasons, although with some gaps.
blaurebell wrote:And when I have to choose between 300-400h of fun and 50h of work I will choose fun always, unless suddenly my life and future depended on getting there in 50h.