Re: Examples of Input Only
Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:08 pm
smallwhite wrote:reineke wrote:
Re: The limits of comprehensible input?
I haven't been following this thread but Reineke's... just horrible.
Reineke has become the reason I will read LLorg regularly no matter how busy I am.Xmmm wrote:smallwhite wrote:Xmmm, why don't you just do 200 hrs of music and audiobooks like reineke? You might not get the cognate discount but you'll get the plenty of brand new words.
Don't tempt me!
....smallwhite wrote:Xmmm wrote:smallwhite wrote:I had said "chaos and failure" was not about your language learning (or others') but you keep thinking it was and keep giving me lessons.
You've got to stop living in the past ...
I'll tell you one thing. I'm very passionate about Russian and Italian -- I just love these languages. And I'm very obsessed about Turkish for some reason I don't understand yet. I want to learn them in a natural way, where I can intuit correct behavior based on massive exposure and really get a feel for them. ALG self-study is the right way to go here and I have no regrets.
But if I were going to learn an L5, I would need a more efficient approach and am open to flashcards+grammar+podcasts+transcripts, aka the smallwhite method. There's only so much time and I, alas, am not a mega-brain floating in a nutrient tank, awake 24 hours a day and able to receive input in eight languages simultaneously like reineke.
Unfortunately, as I've complained before, the smallwhite method is not properly documented. So I'd have to do "universe of memory" or whatever else I could find googling.
You're right, I can stop being bothered by the past as the present is enough for that.smallwhite wrote:Brun Ugle wrote:After you reach a certain age, anyone under 30 seems like a little kid.
Tell me about it
I just noticed because iguanamon specifically said "at your age". But I guess since reineke is still watching cartoons and shows no intention of stopping, he actually watches cartoons at everyone's age...iguanamon wrote:Yeah, I mis-remembered about reineke. To be fair though, reineke doesn't reveal a lot about reineke. We don't even know what languages reineke speaks.Brun Ugle wrote:smallwhite wrote:iguanamon wrote:
Reineke learned a lot of Italian at your age from watching cartoons.
Wasn't reineke 10-ish back then? Eido mentioned "After I graduated high school" about herself so seems a lot older.
After you reach a certain age, anyone under 30 seems like a little kid.smallwhite wrote:reineke wrote:I love all feathered animals.
I didn't understand this sentence above from this post. Is it about me? What does it mean and what is the animal? And how come reineke doesn't want me to understand it?
Thanks!smallwhite wrote:reineke wrote:
Pics you post are more comprehensible than posts you write.reineke wrote:smallwhite wrote:Reineke writes better analysis and advice.Ani wrote:This battle of concision is torture for me to watch. How can you two talk so much with so few words?
Me, I'd need to write 3-6 paragraphs each to be comfortable expressing what you've written in any of these last few posts.reineke wrote:Ani wrote:Also.. haiku challenge.. need I say more? Who's in?smallwhite wrote:reineke wrote:A B2 score in an unrelated language after 600-700 hours of total study is definitely worthy of praise.
Can you believe it? Praise from reineke! All those hours are now worth it
Reineke finding my results literally unbelievable I have to stick with Turkish just to get more of this!smallwhite wrote:rdearman wrote:@smallwhite you did your calculation on 5000 words in 90 days. I was using 13000 as my number of words.
I know. You don't need to SRS all 13k words so I reduced it to 5k.rdearman wrote:I used the math to illustrate you need 5 hours a day just for vocabulary.
(5 hours just for vocab and then fluent in 3 months is actually good by my books. It took me more hours than that, for 3 years, and all I got was an Accounting degree...)
1. How many more hours a day do you think you'll need for grammar and other things?
2. SRSing 5 hours a day is one way to do it. Reineke would watch cartoons instead and Igunamon would multi-track instead. Do you think those methods would make it in 3 months? I remember Reineke mentioning 3000 hours so that won't fit into 90 days, but what about multi-tracking?smallwhite wrote:rdearman wrote:I mostly watch films and read books
That's what reineke does, too. So you and him together can show us how input-heavy-learning works.smallwhite wrote:reineke wrote:A limitation on reading as a source of linguistic input: Evidence from deaf learners
Reineke is a search engine except you search him with full sentences.smallwhite wrote:reineke wrote:Ser wrote:I just signed up for the challenge with Ancient Greek, a language I'm almost a complete beginner in. My Twitter username is ser_be_etre_shi.
Looking at the old highscores, reineke's entries of 300+ hours of study are just... wow. The challenge is only about 42 days long, so doing 300+ hours in total would mean studying at least 7 hours every day.
Since I was a teenager I like to measure activity time spanning several days with Final Fantasy games as the unit, as an old-school FF game takes about 60 hours to complete. You could actually finish five Final Fantasy games in 6 weeks in the amount of time reineke studied during those challenges...
What is the difference between Target Score and Total Score?
Spanish - I mostly watched cartoons (which is also, like, wow I know).
Portuguese - Dragon Ball>Breaking Bad>audiobooks
> ... studying at least 7 hours every day.
And were you studying (likely watching) 7 hours at 100% attention, or was 7 the disounted figure?
I know you seldom answer my questions but I can try.