James29 wrote:Maybe just think of it like a cup of coffee... different things "work" for different people. I like the vast majority of my cup to be caffeinated light roast (input), but I add a dash of non-lactose cream (conversations with natives) and two sugars (grammar study). In a pinch I don't mind having regular milk instead of non-lactose cream. Other people like to have half coffee and half milk with no sugar, etc, etc. There is not a "right" answer for how to make the most "effective" cup of coffee for everyone. We are all different in what "works" for us in coffee and we are all different in what "works" for us in language learning. There is nothing wrong with being different. There is no reason why different things can be effective for different people. Benny's all talk right from the start is just as "good" as those who swear by silent/input periods. Life would be boring if everyone had to have the same cup of coffee simply because someone determined for us what was the "most effective" or "best" cup of coffee.
If we compare language learning to the art of making and drinking coffee, most people will purchase the finished product and occasionally brew it at home. The "effectiveness" and quality of coffee are easily quantified. If coffee beans were truly native input, conversationalists would be chugging creamer all the time and grammarians would catch diabetes and never get that caffeine kick. The more creative of us here would dump the beans into cold water, nibble on them and obviously grind them to apply liberally all over skin before going to bed. We would all collectively suffer from runny bowels. Pills? If they existed, this place would get really dead. Which brings us to the sentence that "there is nothing wrong with being different".
Language input is already present in conversation and grammar books. Grammar can be inferred from native materials/conversations with natives. I believe the ratio of input/output out there in the wild was estimated at 65%/35% whereby the 35% refers to real output i.e. speaking and writing.