lavengro wrote:jimmy wrote:....
based on which type of reasons you make selection of a new language?
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Is masochism a possible choice for a response? .
mm something more intellectual was predicted
lavengro wrote:jimmy wrote:....
based on which type of reasons you make selection of a new language?
....
Is masochism a possible choice for a response? .
jimmy wrote:I could not read carefully all the comments , but with thankful mind, if I have a suitable time I will read them.
Two questions based on what I come across in the deepness of my eyes
I see some members expressing that they did not preferred any language they wanted to learn based on necessity.
I also see some members' preferences are quite different options/selections (For instance I newly here saw "Tuvan" , and still have not google yet)
while I predict that such profiles were presumably & potentially happy personalities, may I ask to them:
1) why did not you pay attention to necessity parameter in selection list?
2) can we say that you have not lived any economic problem in your former period of life?
(normally ,I know everyone lives economic problems but most probably not everyone are equal in this regard or did those members believed that there would be no correlation between money and language knowledge & skills)
Thanks
Lisa wrote:I'd say the most compelling reason to pick a language is economic or social need, that is, to get a better job, to do better in a current job, or if you live in a place where you'd need to use that language everyday. As an english speaker, I've never had a actual need for another language; even on jobs in other countries, at most A1 skills were needed, since everyone working on software projects had a working knowledge of english.
Learning a language purely for enjoyment and interest means that:
(1) you must have that much time to devote to learning that language, which you cannot spend doing something else. I am spending too much time on languages myself, since it is more fun than things I should be doing.
(2) that interest and attraction must be so strong, that it is enough to keep you motivated when things get difficult and take a long time. That's why I am not learning chinese - I don't think I will be able to keep up the amount of effort that would be needed.
Cavesa wrote:
(2) And that's why I am not really sure whether "utility" is superior as motivation than "pleasure". The discipline required ot keep putting time and efforts into something you dislike is more of a challenge than the one put into something you find joy in.
Cavesa wrote:Most learners (the normal learners, not such language lovers as most people on this forum) learn for jobs, study, etc. Yet, most of them fail. I am not really convinced either category "utility" or "pleasure" is a better guarantee of success, a better motivation. I've seen far too many failed learners, who really needed a language, that my belief in combination of both being the best gets stronger and stronger.
jeff_lindqvist wrote:There is a post somewhere in the HTLAL archives where Arguelles mentioned three types of learners (or reasons), and that the one that was most likely to fail is need. The one most likely to succeed was interest/enjoyment. Anecdotal evidence, no doubt.
jimmy wrote:"why did you behavedso rudelyacrossto/toward(s) that woman?"
she said:
"jimmy she was just hungry" I did not understand. Buy automatically inquested by myself (asked myself?) why she was so much kind for me but rude across .that woman??
Le Baron wrote:jimmy wrote:"why did you behavedso rudelyacrossto/toward(s) that woman?"
she said:
"jimmy she was just hungry" I did not understand. Buy automatically inquested by myself (asked myself?) why she was so much kind for me but rude across .that woman??
These are 'corrections', but really I'm trying to get clarity for the story? I don't really understand what was happening or how it relates to the topic and the quote from Cavesa you answered.
Lisa wrote:I'd say the most compelling reason to pick a language is economic or social need, that is, to get a better job, to do better in a current job, or if you live in a place where you'd need to use that language everyday. As an english speaker, I've never had a actual need for another language; even on jobs in other countries, at most A1 skills were needed, since everyone working on software projects had a working knowledge of english.
Learning a language purely for enjoyment and interest means that:
(1) you must have that much time to devote to learning that language, which you cannot spend doing something else. I am spending too much time on languages myself, since it is more fun than things I should be doing.
(2) that interest and attraction must be so strong, that it is enough to keep you motivated when things get difficult and take a long time. That's why I am not learning chinese - I don't think I will be able to keep up the amount of effort that would be needed.Cavesa wrote:All this is very logical, but I've observed some behaviours that don't follow this logic. Not just mine, but rather common.
Most learners (the normal learners, not such language lovers as most people on this forum) learn for jobs, study, etc. Yet, most of them fail. I am not really convinced either category "utility" or "pleasure" is a better guarantee of success, a better motivation. I've seen far too many failed learners, who really needed a language, that my belief in combination of both being the best gets stronger and stronger.
Cavesa wrote: (1) is a very good point, but we should take into account that it is normal to have hobbies. We are not supposed to earn money or do related stuff 100% of the time. It is not healthy. Most people learning a language out of pure interest/pleasure are not losing any opportunity, they are doing it instead of a different hobby. And when it comes to hobbies, there is no better/worse hobby, there is only a personal choice.
Agreed. This gentleman summarizes my motivations quite eloquently.jimmy wrote:mm something more intellectual was predicted
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