The age limit for studying....

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Re: The age limit for studying....

Postby Le Baron » Sun Mar 05, 2023 5:23 pm

Granrey wrote:Too many apps plus YouTube..

When you say 'too many', do you really mean too many or 'lots of'? As in lots of variety? When I read 'too many' I took it to mean that there is 'too much choice'.
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Re: The age limit for studying....

Postby Raconteur » Sun Mar 05, 2023 5:58 pm

It's also worthwhile to consider your question beyond learning ability itself, and discuss purpose(s) of doing so. What are the age limitations in that regard?

I do not think that one is ever too old to learn languages. For those of us who enjoy learning languages intrinsically, even learning on your deathbed serves a well defined purpose. If you were to die tomorrow, would you regret the hours you've spent studying languages today? I reckon for the majority out there the answer would be a resounding YES, and perhaps on this forum in particular many of you would respond "not at all." So it's a personal preference, to some extent at least.

For those who aspire to learn many languages, age is also a limitation. Statistically speaking, a monolingual learner wishing to know 6+ languages well enough to enjoy literature in them is more likely to succeed if they are 19 than if they are 79. Which, of course doesn't mean much in practice, the 19 year old may fall down the stairs tomorrow (or y'know, get busy, lose interest) and the 79 year old may live to 102 and learn these 6 languages well. Still, on paper the 19 yo has more runway, and having some experience talking to people about their longterm language learning plans, the people in their teens and 20s tend to approach this topic very differently than those 60+.
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Re: The age limit for studying....

Postby Granrey » Mon Mar 06, 2023 6:38 am

Le Baron wrote:
Granrey wrote:Too many apps plus YouTube..

When you say 'too many', do you really mean too many or 'lots of'? As in lots of variety? When I read 'too many' I took it to mean that there is 'too much choice'.


You might be right but let me explain better.

When I learned english the book or method at my institute was called "in tune" which apparently is not used anymore (maybe not good compared to today's books?). So, you did not have a choice, you just start and finish with it. All you were told was, this book or method was the best.

Now there are too many choices in the sense of some apps teach phrases like memerise. Some others teach you vocabulary, others teach you grammar (lingodeer), others combine couple of things (Duolingo), others use flashcards and the list go on. Podcasts, YouTube, etc

Choice is by itself a problem. Not just selecting the right method or methods (grammar, flashcards, prases, etc). Then selecting the right app or book for the chosen method is another problem.

Right now for learning French, I'm using Memerise as my main app but on the side I'm using to a lower degree lingodeer, Duolingo, golingo and self teaching french books*

But still though, the question is there: "am I using the most efficient method based on my resources and needs?".

* Books are a pain. I'm browsing quickly (but at the same time carefully) these books to see which ones are better for me to study.

On the good side. Choice allow diversity for when you are tired of studying the same thing. You keep studying by switching to another.
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Re: The age limit for studying....

Postby Sae » Mon Mar 06, 2023 1:09 pm

Choice is good in that one size does not fit all, one man's best method is another man's nightmare. Because different people learn in different ways. But in fairness there is the challenge of knowing what to pick and a thing that a part of that is know how you best learn.

A part of my own journeys have been looking for what works for me. Back when I was a teen wanting to learn at home, it seemed that Rosetta Stone was a holy grail of language learning software, but was too expensive. When finally trying it when I started with Vietnamese I didn't get along with its method.

But I think if an app is teaching and you're learning then there isn't need to worry about the choice out there.
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Re: The age limit for studying....

Postby jimmy » Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:46 pm

a very well known Turkish proverb states :

there is no age limitation for learning...


don't bother yourself
nnnever!...:)
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Re: The age limit for studying....

Postby Le Baron » Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:06 pm

jimmy wrote:a very well known Turkish proverb states :

there is no age limitation for learning...

nnnever!...


Yes, in most languages. But also this: ağaç yaşlanınca eğilmez. Which is pretty much equal to the French version.

Man ist nie zu alt zum Lernen vs was Hänschen nicht lernt, lernt Hans nimmermehr

There's a counter-proverb for every proverb!
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Re: The age limit for studying....

Postby jimmy » Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:13 pm

Le Baron wrote:
jimmy wrote:a very well known Turkish proverb states :

there is no age limitation for learning...

nnnever!...


Yes, in most languages. But also this: ağaç yaşlanınca eğilmez. Which is pretty much equal to the French version.

Man ist nie zu alt zum Lernen vs was Hänschen nicht lernt, lernt Hans nimmermehr

There's a counter-proverb for every proverb!

heyy!

we instead use : "ağaç yaşken eğilir"
and you may be right for the idea. :) :)
and may I ask, where did you get that proverbial phrase ?(that is probably the content or alternative expression of phrase.)
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Re: The age limit for studying....

Postby luke » Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:25 pm

jimmy wrote:
Le Baron wrote:
jimmy wrote:a very well known Turkish proverb states :

there is no age limitation for learning...


Yes, in most languages. But also this: ağaç yaşlanınca eğilmez.

Man ist nie zu alt zum Lernen vs was Hänschen nicht lernt, lernt Hans nimmermehr

we instead use : "ağaç yaşken eğilir"

You can't teach an old dog new tricks.
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Re: The age limit for studying....

Postby jimmy » Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:29 pm

luke wrote:
jimmy wrote:
Le Baron wrote:
jimmy wrote:a very well known Turkish proverb states :

there is no age limitation for learning...


Yes, in most languages. But also this: ağaç yaşlanınca eğilmez.

Man ist nie zu alt zum Lernen vs was Hänschen nicht lernt, lernt Hans nimmermehr

we instead use : "ağaç yaşken eğilir"

You can't teach an old dog new tricks.

:) :) :)

to be honest, I find this wording a bit wild. I remember at a time this wording redirected across my nickname at an English forum and I got anger too much

so,may I ask whether English people or fellows act really calm when they are exposed to such wordings.
if yes, most probably I felt myself much pure :) This alternatively means ,I have not realised the metaphoric telling side/style.
mm yes, it is not anormal wording, it is a proverb. :)
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Re: The age limit for studying....

Postby Le Baron » Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:31 pm

jimmy wrote:and may I ask, where did you get that proverbial phrase ?

I have a book of 'proverbs of the world' which also shows the original language. Clearly the translator of that should be sacked! :lol:
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