golyplot wrote:You seem to assume that anyone who can read and listen to the TL can automatically also speak it, which is very much not correct.
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golyplot wrote:You seem to assume that anyone who can read and listen to the TL can automatically also speak it, which is very much not correct.
golyplot wrote:
You seem to assume that anyone who can read and listen to the TL can automatically also speak it, which is very much not correct.
FRAnglais1919 wrote:I can't imagine someone understanding B1+ level material in listening and writing, and not be able to utter a sentence themselves.
golyplot wrote:In fact, it's the natural result of input-only study, and it is pretty much the situation I am in with all my languages.
It's not just a matter of "B1 material being made to accommodate you" either. I think one could be able to read and listen to native material well and still barely be able to speak the language.
golyplot wrote:In fact, it's the natural result of input-only study, and it is pretty much the situation I am in with all my languages.
It's not just a matter of "B1 material being made to accommodate you" either. I think one could be able to read and listen to native material well and still barely be able to speak the language.
Here is a generic note that I send to all my teachers the same time I send a lesson request:golyplot wrote:Suppose you've already studied reading and listening extensively and just want to develop basic conversational skills. What's the best way to do that on iTalki? So far I've done two trial lessons, but I've been pretty frustrated each time.
99% of them agree to this, and the result is a low stress conversation that lets me become more comfortable. We talk about whatever comes to mind. I’ve done thousands of these, and improvement is really fast when I do the following: During the conversation, write down all vocabulary/grammar points that the teacher uses but I don’t understand AND all the vocabulary/grammar points that I want to use but don’t know. After the lesson, I memorize these items, then put them in Anki. Before the next class, I do the Anki reviews. If possible, do a 60 min class every day or at least a few times a week, and repeat this exercise.Hi {Teacher X}. I'm an intermediate student. I'd like a 100% {Language X} conversation with no corrections and no fixed topics if possible. Thanks
leosmith wrote:…
When it comes to language learning, I do everything by myself except converse. And so the only job of my teachers is to converse with me. I don’t like corrections from tutors because it detracts from the purpose of the lesson – getting comfortable in the language. Because I learn everything on my own, I hear many of my own errors when I speak. The more I speak, the fewer my errors. Correcting me just distracts me and makes me less fluid. This is especially true in the beginning. I feel I’ve got so many balls in the air, I don’t need someone adding more. The better I get, the more open I am to correction.
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Here is a generic note that I send to all my teachers the same time I send a lesson request:99% of them agree to this, and the result is a low stress conversation that lets me become more comfortable. We talk about whatever comes to mind. I’ve done thousands of these, and improvement is really fast when I do the following: During the conversation, write down all vocabulary/grammar points that the teacher uses but I don’t understand AND all the vocabulary/grammar points that I want to use but don’t know. After the lesson, I memorize these items, then put them in Anki. Before the next class, I do the Anki reviews. If possible, do a 60 min class every day or at least a few times a week, and repeat this exercise.Hi {Teacher X}. I'm an intermediate student. I'd like a 100% {Language X} conversation with no corrections and no fixed topics if possible. Thanks
When you say the key to accuracy, you make it sound like nothing else we do improves accuracy.s_allard wrote:In my approach correction is paramount because I believe this is the key to accuracy.
leosmith wrote:When you say the key to accuracy, you make it sound like nothing else we do improves accuracy.s_allard wrote:In my approach correction is paramount because I believe this is the key to accuracy.
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