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There is a lot of interesting discussion here regarding learning methodology, but I often find myself thinking “that won’t work very well for a hard language”. I chalk up this feeling to the variety of languages I learn. I was just wondering if there are any like minded people out there, so I created the poll.
How varied are your languages?
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Re: How varied are your languages?
Not varied at all. The only non-Indoeuropean language which I have studied in earnest (beyond reading a grammar or small language guide) is Bahasa Indonesia, and it's written with Latin letters .
PS: how is no. 4 possible? No target languages or just one without a writing system?
PS: how is no. 4 possible? No target languages or just one without a writing system?
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Iversen wrote:how is no. 4 possible? No target languages or just one without a writing system?
I meant it to be for people who have never learned a foreign language to an intermediate level or better.
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Re: How varied are your languages?
Pretty varied, I've learned (to low levels) 4 scripts, a tonal language, and really different language families. But I suck at most.
When I hear about different methodologies, yep, I sometimes think "that only works for 'easier' languages". You're not alone.
And I know there are languages out there that are unapproachable unless I really rethink what language is.
When I hear about different methodologies, yep, I sometimes think "that only works for 'easier' languages". You're not alone.
And I know there are languages out there that are unapproachable unless I really rethink what language is.
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Re: How varied are your languages?
I have learned two French-lexified creole languages (without having learned French)- Haitian Creole and Lesser Antilles French Creole (St Lucian/Dominican). The grammar is West African. 10-15% of the vocabulary is not French-based, but comes from Amerind; West African; Spanish; English. The Creole languages are not generally included in the Romance category because of the grammar and special features within them.
Ladino/Djudeo-espanyol is based on medieval Spanish with an admixture of Hebrew; Arabic; Turkish; Greek; French; Portuguese; Italian. Since 1918, the language has been written in Latin script. If you want to read anything written before 1918, you have to be able to read Hebrew scripts- from right to left. I have learned three Hebrew scripts- Rashi; Solitreo (Ladino cursive); Hebrew Square. Is Ladino a romance language or more properly- a Jewish language, or both? It certainly provides me with enough variety to make my language life interesting.
The rest of my second languages- Spanish, Portuguese, Catalan, are solidly romance.
Ladino/Djudeo-espanyol is based on medieval Spanish with an admixture of Hebrew; Arabic; Turkish; Greek; French; Portuguese; Italian. Since 1918, the language has been written in Latin script. If you want to read anything written before 1918, you have to be able to read Hebrew scripts- from right to left. I have learned three Hebrew scripts- Rashi; Solitreo (Ladino cursive); Hebrew Square. Is Ladino a romance language or more properly- a Jewish language, or both? It certainly provides me with enough variety to make my language life interesting.
The rest of my second languages- Spanish, Portuguese, Catalan, are solidly romance.
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Re: How varied are your languages?
I'm kind of confused as to why the first option is so encompassing. Learning a language from the same family but with a different script is vastly different from learning a language from a different family but with the same script (as if having the same script somehow makes the target language as easy as the language from the same family).
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Re: How varied are your languages?
I read French and Spanish, which are both Romance languages, and Ancient Greek, an Indo-European language with no really close relatives that uses a script mostly similar to Latin script.
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Re: How varied are your languages?
I made a double reading comprehension oopsie! I chose option "another family with a different script" because really what haven't I dabbled in at this point? But I do know same-family and same-script languages too, so I should have picked 3. But then I realized that you only wanted intermediate or higher, so I should have chosen "The same family with the same or different script!" Because it would be a big stretch to call my Hebrew intermediate, although I'm hoping to remedy that this year.
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Re: How varied are your languages?
I don't think the languages I know best and use are all that greatly varied. I'm okay with that. I have studied more varied ones in the past, with major differences (Cantonese); or closer in family, but different alphabet (Russian) and scraped up to maybe the thin edge of A2/B1. So I know there are differences and difficulties in learning, but what are the specific issues relating to the sentiment in the OP:
What things specifically get done in a 'hard' language that isn't done in 'easy' languages or not recognisable? And from whose perspective is a language hard/easy?
but I often find myself thinking “that won’t work very well for a hard language”.
What things specifically get done in a 'hard' language that isn't done in 'easy' languages or not recognisable? And from whose perspective is a language hard/easy?
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Dragon27 wrote:I'm kind of confused as to why the first option is so encompassing. Learning a language from the same family but with a different script is vastly different from learning a language from a different family but with the same script (as if having the same script somehow makes the target language as easy as the language from the same family).
Good point. For example, for me at least, Russian is a difficult language. It has a different script, but the same family as my L1, so it fails my own criteria, lol. All languages with different scripts that I've studied, I consider to be difficult. Also, a language with a different script automatically puts it into FSI category 4 or 5. So I probably messed that one up.
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