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Re: You know you're a language nerd when…

Postby geoffw » Thu Feb 23, 2017 12:22 pm

Cainntear wrote:
vogeltje wrote:
Teango wrote:When you read "Sign in to Goodreads to Learn More" and your hands automatically move to sign good read [+pl. classifier]...


I met a deaf girl yesterday and I thought of you and that you'd talk in sign langauge with her, although I don't know if she knows it. I don't think that all deaf people know sign language. She can speak spoken English, but you can notice that she's deaf when she speaks. I would love to learn sign language.

Teango speaks New Zealand Sign Language, not British Sign Language.


I saw that too, and immediately looked it up...supposedly NZSL is considered a "dialect" of BSL...although the same source said that there was only ~63% similarity of signs. I've previously heard from unreliable sources that in similar cases, native signers can usually communicate adequately.
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Re: You know you're a language nerd when…

Postby Teango » Thu Feb 23, 2017 1:52 pm

geoffw wrote:
Cainntear wrote:
vogeltje wrote:
Teango wrote:When you read "Sign in to Goodreads to Learn More" and your hands automatically move to sign good read [+pl. classifier]...

I met a deaf girl yesterday and I thought of you and that you'd talk in sign langauge with her, although I don't know if she knows it. I don't think that all deaf people know sign language. She can speak spoken English, but you can notice that she's deaf when she speaks. I would love to learn sign language.

Teango speaks New Zealand Sign Language, not British Sign Language.

I saw that too, and immediately looked it up...supposedly NZSL is considered a "dialect" of BSL...although the same source said that there was only ~63% similarity of signs. I've previously heard from unreliable sources that in similar cases, native signers can usually communicate adequately.

I've left a particularly nerdy reply to all this on my own language learning log.

Incidentally, I couldn't find a specific sign for "nerd" in NZSL, BSL, or Auslan, but luckily ASL came to the rescue!
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Re: You know you're a language nerd when…

Postby luke » Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:05 pm

when you're hanging out with an attractive person and it could lead somewhere, but you're thinking, "I could be making progress on my language studies if I wasn't here..."
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Re: You know you're a language nerd when…

Postby PfifltriggPi » Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:13 pm

Cainntear wrote:
vogeltje wrote:
Teango wrote:When you read "Sign in to Goodreads to Learn More" and your hands automatically move to sign good read [+pl. classifier]...


I met a deaf girl yesterday and I thought of you and that you'd talk in sign langauge with her, although I don't know if she knows it. I don't think that all deaf people know sign language. She can speak spoken English, but you can notice that she's deaf when she speaks. I would love to learn sign language.

Teango speaks New Zealand Sign Language, not British Sign Language.


Can one truly be said to speak sign language...?
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Re: You know you're a language nerd when…

Postby arthaey » Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:49 pm

PfifltriggPi wrote:Can one truly be said to speak sign language...?

Yes, I've seen that terminology used by both linguists and speakers of signed languages. (Of course, the terms "sign" and "signers" are also common.)
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Re: You know you're a language nerd when…

Postby Cainntear » Thu Feb 23, 2017 5:42 pm

PfifltriggPi wrote:Can one truly be said to speak sign language...?

A lot of people use the verb "speak" as it better conveys the notion that sign languages are every bit as legitimate as "spoken" languages. It carries the implicit message that it's a full language rather than a signed "code" for another language. It also begs that very question, which gives you an opportunity to challenge the misconceptions of the uninformed.
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Re: You know you're a language nerd when…

Postby vogeltje » Thu Feb 23, 2017 9:13 pm

Cainntear wrote:
vogeltje wrote:
Teango wrote:When you read "Sign in to Goodreads to Learn More" and your hands automatically move to sign good read [+pl. classifier]...


I met a deaf girl yesterday and I thought of you and that you'd talk in sign langauge with her, although I don't know if she knows it. I don't think that all deaf people know sign language. She can speak spoken English, but you can notice that she's deaf when she speaks. I would love to learn sign language.

Teango speaks New Zealand Sign Language, not British Sign Language.


Yes, but I thought that the sign languages are much more mutually intellgible than the spoken ones, also that with some guesses, a basic conversation would be possible, and it would only be a basic one, not a great debate etc.

Also, the New Zealand sign langauge is veyr similar to the British one, like the Amercian and French are similar (I think, I am absolutlely not sure!!!)

It's similar in the spoken langauges: if you don't speak the same, but similar ones, you can have a simple conversation. The girl is really shy, much more shy than me and more panicky as well, but maybe she thought I was more shy/panicky than her, I don't know haha she wasn't shy with me and wanted to talk with me, maybe she knew that I wouldn't find her useless or laugh at her, I don't know. I wish that she would stay longer, we could be freinds, but she is visiting a short time. She lives in the hearing world, I mean she has hearing aid and speaks the spoken language. I wish I had the opportunity to ask her about the sign languge(s) but I don't think that I will. If I do, then I will let you know.

she didn't tell me that she's deaf, so I wouldn't ask such things unless she told me, although I knew becasue it was obvious and a lady had told me e.g. that she had a hearing aid and is deaf, but atcually, that lady better shut up and not tell people about other people.

Also, if someone can speak some sign langauge, even the wrong country's one, then I expect that the deaf person would be very happy that the hearing person has made this effort and wants to try it. The deaf people have to try so hard to do what seems for me impossible (if you can't hear, but must learn to speak / read lips with words you have never heard) that it's good if we (the not deaf people) try to use sign language to reciprocate and not expect that they make 100% effort and we don't make effort at all.
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Re: You know you're a language nerd when…

Postby luke » Thu Feb 23, 2017 9:41 pm

arthaey wrote:
PfifltriggPi wrote:Can one truly be said to speak sign language...?

Yes, I've seen that terminology used by both linguists and speakers of signed languages. (Of course, the terms "sign" and "signers" are also common.)


when you see conversation like this and think "Esperanto ... manlingvo ...."
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Re: You know you're a language nerd when…

Postby Cainntear » Mon Feb 27, 2017 5:42 pm

...a friend announces her engagement on Facebook, and you're more interested in trying to work out where the guy's name comes from than in congratulating her on the news. :oops:
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Re: You know you're a language nerd when…

Postby Rhian » Mon Feb 27, 2017 8:34 pm

Cainntear wrote:...a friend announces her engagement on Facebook, and you're more interested in trying to work out where the guy's name comes from than in congratulating her on the news. :oops:


Been there, done that. More than once :lol:
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