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Re: Crazy Challenge anyone?

Postby aokoye » Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:00 pm

an onyme wrote:I want to try learning a language using bad resources: Rosetta Stone, For Dummies books, travel phrasebooks, real-life classes that take thirty weeks to get to the past tense. Trouble is that it'll have to be a language I care about enough to learn but not enough to learn it properly. Also I'll have to be OK with spending a lot of money for ironic purposes.

I mean if we go with the class one, I'll take that on, I'm already doing it if we amend thirty weeks to twenty. The keys are a. having a metric ton of other things that are time sensitive and competing for your time (ie completing a degree, while also working, applying to grad school, and applying for scholarship(s)) and b. realizing that you can do things outside of class on your own. It also helps when you're in a situation where what's written down on a piece of paper can give you various levels of clout.
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Re: Crazy Challenge anyone?

Postby MorkTheFiddle » Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:33 pm

DaraghM wrote:Ph.D Reading List challenge.

I’m currently engaging myself in a very long running challenge. The idea is to consume the same amount of reading that a Ph.D student on a Comparative Literature course would need to attend to. Some of the Comparative Literature Ph.D courses require the student to be able to read in at least three different languages from three different language families.

Some sample reading lists.

Brown University
https://www.brown.edu/academics/comparative-literature/graduate-program/reading-lists

University of Milwaukee (The theory part)
https://uwm.edu/comparative-literature/graduate/reading-list/

I can safely predict this is going to take me a long time.

Brown's list provides a useful checklist for the given languages. The French and Spanish lists will help a lot with my decision making for future reading. Thanks.
May that "long time" be productive, enjoyable and rewarding.
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Re: Crazy Challenge anyone?

Postby tarvos » Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:23 pm

Cavesa wrote:Trying to finish my damn degree, that is crazy enough. One last week of this hell. I'd rather learn Klingon and Cantonese at the same time instead (and I'd be better at that, without any doubt).

Sleeping every other day is unfortunately too normal for me. 3 days? No, not that crazy. Just a side note: the world record of going without sleep till dying is like 10 days. And brains like sleep, I don't recommend this kind of a challenge. Any naked challenges have to wait, till I get better curtains. :-D

Preparing the challenge to read a pile of books of as tall as me during the summer. I miss reading fiction! All languages combined. I am not too tall though (It would be a harder challenge for Tarvos! But she's better than me and has more languages, she'd probably make it). I hope to be reading mostly outside, need some fresh air and a different face colour than pale green.

And if my other plans fail, I'll need to get my German from weak A2 to solid B2 in two or thee months :-D


I wouldn't make it right now, I don't have that much time for language learning on my hands :(
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Re: Crazy Challenge anyone?

Postby lavengro » Fri Jun 21, 2019 9:16 pm

"As our vehicle leaves the ground and plunges over the edge of the cliff toward the valley floor, I ponder whether it is possible that one might allege I am guilty of an act of moral failure, having failed to maintain a proper course along the roadway.”

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Crazy challenge? I am willing to up the ante. One word, a lifetime of pain and struggle: Ithkuil.

If that word does not strike fear in you already, then read on and consider signing up for a crazy challenge so fraught with peril that, to paraphrase a line from Apocalypse Now, “…if you’ll [learn this language], you will never have to prove your courage in any other way.”

Ithkuil is a conlang whose stunning breadth of significance is matched only by the profundity of its challenging nature (although currently in the process of revision, the classical 2004 version has 65 consonants, 17 vowels and 96 grammatical cases), with such a measure of difficulty in learning that no human is yet fluent in it (or even in its simpler country-cousin, Ilaksh).

Also, a wicked cool writing system – truly a collection of weird squiggles, or perhaps more helpfully described as “kinda like an abugida, but also kinda like logography” (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_n3loSfejg) or perhaps more casually described as “looks like Klingon, except way more obtuse."

Ithkuil represents “the creation of what human beings, left to their own devices, would never create naturally, but rather only by conscious effort — an idealized language whose aim is the highest possible degree of logic, efficiency, detail, and accuracy in cognitive expression via spoken human language, while minimizing the ambiguity, vagueness, illogic, redundancy, polysemy (multiple meanings) and overall arbitrariness that is seemingly ubiquitous in natural human language.”

http://ithkuil.net/

I appreciate there is already a small reddit Ithkuil community, but I am confident that in 15 or 20 years of intense and committed effort, the llorg community can significantly also assist in efforts to support this bizarrely-complicated language and create a community of competent speakers (though not native speakers: that will have to wait until computers completely - instead of as at present only partially - replace humans). And it is an exciting time to take up this interesting language, as Creator is in the process of releasing a new iteration.

Please consider signing up for an exciting challenge to develop a community of speakers competent in Ithkuil! To paraphrase JFK, “We choose to [learn Ithkuil] go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win.”

PS. Just to be clear – I have no intention of signing up for this, as I am still struggling with Italian.
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Re: Crazy Challenge anyone?

Postby kanewai » Fri Jun 21, 2019 9:58 pm

MorkTheFiddle wrote:
DaraghM wrote:Ph.D Reading List challenge.

Some sample reading lists.

Brown University
https://www.brown.edu/academics/comparative-literature/graduate-program/reading-lists

Brown's list provides a useful checklist for the given languages. The French and Spanish lists will help a lot with my decision making for future reading. Thanks.
May that "long time" be productive, enjoyable and rewarding.


I just bookmarked that page; the Brown Lists look super useful, especially for contemporary works. Interesting that the Italian is only a list of thirty authors.
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