AML wrote:reineke wrote:Bakunin
How about a story or even a link to how this is relevant to the original question.
Adrianslont wrote:There is a guy who used to frequent this forum who has cartoons drawn to learn Khmer and Thai. Sorry can’t remember his name. He makes recordings too. Available on net somewhere
reineke wrote:Bakunin does a lot of cool and interesting things. You will find Bakunin's comment at the bottom of David Long's post.
ALG's David Long:
Speak perfectly at 700 hour
"The expectation that we can learn a language through practice demonstrates the need for increased understanding about how language works.I have conversations with people from time to time that indicate some misunderstanding about what we're saying when we talk about speaking. We have observed that for a native English speaker, it's an average that one begins speaking at about 700-800 hours. So the other day, a friend came into my office and asked to see some of those students who speak perfectly at 600 hours. I was a bit set-back by this. No where do we even make such a claim.
http://auathai.com/blog/2010/03/21/spea ... -700-hours
reineke wrote:I saw Bakunin's work buried somewhere and remembered it. I thought it a shame to leave it there and I added a few links. If everyone would donate 10 minutes of their time we could have an enviable list of language resources here.
jeff_lindqvist wrote:When it comes to stress, intonation and stuff like that, I mention Olle Kjellin. I just searched the forum for his last name and found no fewer than 83 matches. Have a look at say, Bakunin's thread about Chorusing, or AlOlaf's log, starting with this post (including a few links from Iversen some posts below mine).
If you want to learn where to put the stress in sentences (and also think it's important to know that), you have to work with audio and full sentences. Those who only work with isolated words (or heaven forbid - never open their mouth at all) won't get that far.
Axon wrote:Bakunin's log
Serpent wrote:Listening. I understood the easy stuff for learners and I recognized familiar words in songs but I couldn't process the language fast enough otherwise.We have different definitions of training correctly.olim21 wrote:Well, there is if you trained correctly from the beginning.Historically, people have always learned languages by speaking. See Bakunin's posts.What I'm trying to make people realize is that most of the learning happens during reading.
Also, we vary a lot in how easily we can read in a new language, etc. My reading speed is atrocious even in L1.Depends on what you consider success.that forum, and HTLAL before it, are full of failed experiments of people trying to learn just by listening. Is there even one success story?
Finny wrote:For me, listening to the radio and reading books appear to be the magic formula for my learning a language.
If I could only choose one of the two, it would be listening, hands down, since there are far more fluent illiterate speakers around the globe than fluent speakers who learned languages completely by reading them and never by hearing them. As Bakunin notes, language has historically been an oral process, and not a written one.
rdearman wrote:Check out Bakunin's log on this fourm.