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Re: Listening vs Comprehension (and the case against TV) [interesting article]

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Re: Listening vs Comprehension (and the case against TV) [interesting article]

Postby Axon » Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:26 am

smallwhite wrote:I know, but I press the play button and they don't start talking until 3 minutes later?


I have the same problem with Cantonese films. For some reason they keep punching each other instead of speaking slowly and clearly about A1-A2 topics. :D

What's everyone's opinion on using multiple-language audio tracks to learn? In the past I've watched some dubbed Netflix without subtitles (German, probably?), and when I didn't understand something I switched to the English audio track and rewound a few seconds. Pretty easy with the computer, and when I do this on my TV it skips back about ten seconds automatically for me.

Khatzumoto of AJATT fame has recommended ripping audio tracks of TV/films to mp3, cutting out long parts with no dialogue, and then listening on repeat. I've gotten as far as making mp3 versions of my favorite movies dubbed into Indonesian, but I haven't taken the crucial step of actually listening to them yet.
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Re: Listening vs Comprehension (and the case against TV) [interesting article]

Postby DaveBee » Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:35 am

Axon wrote:Khatzumoto of AJATT fame has recommended ripping audio tracks of TV/films to mp3, cutting out long parts with no dialogue, and then listening on repeat. I've gotten as far as making mp3 versions of my favorite movies dubbed into Indonesian, but I haven't taken the crucial step of actually listening to them yet.
I do that a bit. I'd do more if my MP3 player had a larger memory! :-)

The 1995 BBC version of Pride and Prejudice (french dub), the french dub of Mary Poppins. I tried Lion in Winter (a film I like) but there's a long music pause that would need to be edited out to be useful.

I've also got some radio plays that I relisten to a good deal, a radio adaption of the Third Man, and Romeo and Juliet. etc.
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Re: Listening vs Comprehension (and the case against TV) [interesting article]

Postby rdearman » Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:54 am

DaveBee wrote:
Axon wrote:Khatzumoto of AJATT fame has recommended ripping audio tracks of TV/films to mp3, cutting out long parts with no dialogue, and then listening on repeat. I've gotten as far as making mp3 versions of my favorite movies dubbed into Indonesian, but I haven't taken the crucial step of actually listening to them yet.
I do that a bit. I'd do more if my MP3 player had a larger memory! :-)

The 1995 BBC version of Pride and Prejudice (french dub), the french dub of Mary Poppins. I tried Lion in Winter (a film I like) but there's a long music pause that would need to be edited out to be useful.

I've also got some radio plays that I relisten to a good deal, a radio adaption of the Third Man, and Romeo and Juliet. etc.

EMK's substudy makes ripping a soudtrack with speech only really easy if you have the accompanying sub-titles.
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Re: Listening vs Comprehension (and the case against TV) [interesting article]

Postby Xmmm » Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:46 pm

Axon wrote:
What's everyone's opinion on using multiple-language audio tracks to learn? In the past I've watched some dubbed Netflix without subtitles (German, probably?), and when I didn't understand something I switched to the English audio track and rewound a few seconds. Pretty easy with the computer, and when I do this on my TV it skips back about ten seconds automatically for me.


I did this with Italian when I first started using Netflix. It worked great. In the beginning, I would have to rewind for 10-20 minutes worth of a 45 minute episode, but lately I don't rewind at all.

It worked so well, in fact, that I started watching anything dubbed (where I could use the convenient Netflix system) rather than going for native material to RAI or Amazon video where no such tools exist ...
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Re: Listening vs Comprehension (and the case against TV) [interesting article]

Postby smallwhite » Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:17 pm

reineke wrote:A B2 score in an unrelated language after 600-700 hours of total study is definitely worthy of praise.

Can you believe it? Praise from reineke! All those hours are now worth it :P

reineke wrote:I do note that smallwhite took the same test 4 times which detracts somewhat from the usefulness of such results.

Not my fault Rdearman's study uses the same test I was using, and makes us take it twice! I did some parts of the test 4 times, not all of it. And I didn't check to see if my answers were right or wrong, so even if I remembered my previous answers, it didn't help. My only advantage was thus I got to hear some of the audio 4 times - just like in some tests you listen 2 times - except my 2 to 4 times happened over 8 months instead of back-to-back.

Reineke finding my results literally unbelievable ;) I have to stick with Turkish just to get more of this!
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Re: Listening vs Comprehension (and the case against TV) [interesting article]

Postby smallwhite » Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:32 pm

reineke wrote:I love all feathered animals.

Is this about me? What does it mean and what is the animal?

The original small white is a mammal :)
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Re: Listening vs Comprehension (and the case against TV) [interesting article]

Postby reineke » Mon Feb 19, 2018 3:59 am

smallwhite wrote:
reineke wrote:I love all feathered animals.

Is this about me? What does it mean and what is the animal?

The original small white is a mammal :)


I also like small mammals.

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