ryanheise wrote:s_allard wrote:ryanheise wrote:Since I already explained before why length isn't significant, this time I'll try a demonstration rather than an explanation.
The demonstration is very nice but
It's just that I already explained to you multiple times why length is not a factor, and you weren't receptive to that (you continue to comment on length without even acknowledging those previous points about length) so I decided to try a different tack.I wasn't talking about the size of half of Shrek. What I pointed out is that in 95 minutes Shrek has more unique vocabulary than 34000 podcasts combined if I understand chart1 correctly.
I've also already explained to you multiple times why document vocabulary size (the number of unique words in a document) is not a factor in graph 1. Bonus points if you can find it and quote it. I think it is more considerate for you to rephrase your discussion about a previously explained topic by including a reference to that previous explanation as it a starting point, rather than starting from zero each time. It takes a lot of effort for me to keep repeating the same explanation multiple times.We would normally expect the podcasts to have some differences, however slight, in vocabulary between each other. One 30-minute podcast will probably use around 750 unique words but obviously the number of unique words in let’s say 20000 30-minute podcasts is much higher.
So the comment/explanation I would like you to go and find is the explanation of your confusion between document vocabulary size vs learner vocabulary size.
Well I give up. But I do have to thank you for all the effort in explaining and re-explaining things that are obviously beyond my grasp. Since I seem to be the only person who doesn’t understand some of the terminology and the methodology used here, I will just bow out and retreat to my academic cave. It’s kind of interesting that with 98% word coverage of this thread, I don’t understand most of it. On the other hand I find Paul Nation’s work on optimal receptive vocabulary size crystal clear although I have my own disagreements with him. Go figure, that’s just me.