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Re: East Asian Team - 2017~

Postby ロータス » Sun Feb 05, 2017 4:27 am

日本語:
Japanesepod101 : 56 / 200
Watanoc : 14 / 100

한국어:
SEEMIE Lessons : 11 / 20
Sogang Novice Korean I : 1 / 10

Actually did something with Japanese this week. Found time to read two Watanoc articles. Will try to atleast read something in Japanese while playing with Korean. Planning on finishing SEEMIE then starting on Quick Korean.

I've started on a Memrise course that focus on the pronunciation from the Koreanwikiproject. I still am very slow at sounding out words so I'm trying to get used to hearing the sounds. I'm having a hard time with knowing when the third letter moves over to the next block. I thought it was 100% of the time when the next block started with an ㅇ but some words don't do that. Maybe because the ㅇ block is a particle?
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Re: East Asian Team - 2017~

Postby Xelian » Mon Feb 13, 2017 2:24 am

I'm not sure if the "textbook" section of the resources page includes websites, but I just came across this really great Japanese website, Imabi, http://www.imabi.net/ which has tons of beginner-advanced grammar, kanji, etc. So excited about finding this one!!!

It doesn't seem as well known as Tae-Kim's Guide to Japanese http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/, but this is another good resource for Japanese learning.

Just thought I'd mention these, as they're really helpful for supplementing my Japanese grammar!!
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Re: East Asian Team - 2017~

Postby ロータス » Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:16 am

Xelian wrote:I'm not sure if the "textbook" section of the resources page includes websites, but I just came across this really great Japanese website, Imabi, http://www.imabi.net/ which has tons of beginner-advanced grammar, kanji, etc. So excited about finding this one!!!

It doesn't seem as well known as Tae-Kim's Guide to Japanese http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/, but this is another good resource for Japanese learning.

Just thought I'd mention these, as they're really helpful for supplementing my Japanese grammar!!


Hmm. Not really a textbook and but then again I added nontextbooks for KR. Those two are also really shared a lot by anyone that ask about JP grammar. I'll add it somewhere. Sorry this reads weird, coming down from playing POS2 for 6+hours and its late xD
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Re: East Asian Team - 2017~

Postby ロータス » Fri Feb 17, 2017 2:43 am

Added to Resources

Japanese:
Tae Kim
Imabi

Korean:
College Korean
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Re: East Asian Team - 2017~

Postby ロータス » Fri Feb 17, 2017 3:09 am

February
Clean Freak by Scop
Ahh the memories from this song. This is the song that got me back into Vocaloid several years ago. I think I remember seeing someone translate this song and from the thumbnail, decided to click on it. I love dark songs like songs about society and humans so this song was just for me. After hearing this song, I quickly found other producers I loved, like Neru, buzzG, Last Note, Soraru, Nanou, ゴボウメン, Suzumu and ピノキオピー. Just typing these names in makes me remember the great songs by all of them xD The grammar is way above my level but I could get my understanding the some of the song by just the vocab.

I didn't realized how long Clean Freak was until pasting the lyrics so I'm posting the English translations of the parts that are my favorite. The video for this song is beautiful and just perfect. Really sets the mood for the whole song and the drawing during the verses are really well done. I love so many vocaloid songs and this song is definitely in my top 10.

いらない 汚い 感情なんてもう
いらない 嫌な 思いなんて
人は 誰も 幸せとか
求めすぎて こんな汚い

「人それぞれ」と言うくせして
“Everyone is different” people say,
価値観 快感 分かち合って
Our VALUES and PLEASURES are the same
都合悪くなれば今度は
But if it becomes inconvenient this time,
「人はみな」どーのこーのって言うんだ
It’s “we’re only human” just saying whatever you want

それじゃ ちゃんと 教科書でも
作り ちゃんと 定義してよ
人のあるべき生き方 とか
清く正しい男女関係

そうさ僕ら寂しいって言葉吐いては
That’s right, when we say we’re lonely, 
分かり合えたフリしてるだけで本当は
and just pretend to understand each other
満たされることを愛と勘違いして
The truth is, we’re mistaking satisfaction for love
何も分かっちゃいないな
we really don’t understand anything, huh

ダメだったんだ 人類は
We’re pretty useless, the human race
それは とうに とうに 手遅れで
it is already much too late
どうなったって本能は
because our instincts fit on
都合良く波長合わせていく
whichever wavelength is convenient

汚れちゃった 感情に
心は もう 石のようで
求め合いの惨状に
もう 汚い 触らないで

悲しい話 さっきからもう
語りっぱなし どーゆーつもり?
茶化し 冷やかし 飽きたらもう
笑いは無し なんておかしい

形ばかり 気にしすぎて
まさに 敵(かたき) 見てるみたい
かなり やばい 頭の中 もう
タラリ タラリ ドゥー パッパラパ☆

そうさ僕らいつも欲に毒されては
That’s right, we’re always poisoned with greed
手に入れてはすぐに飽きて放り出してさ
We quickly get tired of what we obtain and throw it out
そしてまた次のおもちゃを見つけ言うんだ
and then we quickly find our next toy, and say
「君しかいないんだ」
“I don't have anyone but you”

やっぱ そんなもんじゃんか
所詮 人間なんて利己主義で
僕らだってそうなんだ
汚い色に染まってくんだ

冷めきったみたいなんだ
偽善なんてもう 見たくないし
だからいっそ泣いたって
ほら もう 近づかないでよ

―夜は溢れる夢描いて―
―朝は光る希望抱いて―
―清く正しく前を向いて―
「待って。そんな無理しないで」

なんて言う人もいなくて
泣いて もがいて べそかいて
こんな思いは何回目
綺麗好きすぎて もう
何もかも見たくないな

ダメだったんだ 人類は
それは とうに とうに 手遅れで
エゴばっかの世界なんて
息を吸うのだって困難で

誰だってわかってんだ
Everyone understands that
自分勝手だって 価値なんて
we’re selfish; what values?
だから 口塞いじゃって
so shut your mouth
もう 知らない じゃあね バイバイ
I don’t know any more well then, bye bye.
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Re: East Asian Team - 2017~

Postby ロータス » Sat Feb 18, 2017 10:47 pm

日本語:
Japanesepod101 : 56 / 200
Watanoc : 14 / 100

한국어:
SEEMIE Lessons : 20 / 20 Done!
Sogang Novice Korean I : 2 / 10
Quick Korean 1급 : 9 / 30

No 日本語 (did play alot of PSO2) but started Quick Korean this week. Really enjoy learning Korean in Korean. Starting to pick up words that she uses a lot and their meanings. Sounding out words is still a pain but I'm slowly getting better. I'm reading several things when I have time as well, from Sogang, KIIP, TTMIK(reading as in only reading the dialogs/readings in these courses). No native dialogs outside of courses but I would like to finish Quick Korean before I do that. Also don't want to try to study all of these resources. Even though this might change in a week, I would like to just finish all 4 levels of Quick Korean and decide on want to do next.

The reason I think my Japanese is so basic is because I kept moving around from one resource to the next and would like to not do that with Korean.
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Re: East Asian Team - 2017~

Postby arthaey » Sat Feb 18, 2017 11:28 pm

ロータス wrote:The reason I think my Japanese is so basic is because I kept moving around from one resource to the next and would like to not do that with Korean.

I've been coming to that conclusion myself. It's so hard not to flit from resource to shiny new resource, but I think you're right: sticking with a resource to the end is really more helpful.
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Re: East Asian Team - 2017~

Postby rustygecko » Mon Feb 27, 2017 2:08 pm

A last-minute entry for the February challenge, with 爱的箴言, which literally-translated is something like 'Love's Exhortation'. I've seen the English title given as 'Love Is' in one translation, which sounds rather better. I believe it is originally by Teresa Teng, but I heard the version by the rock group 黑豹乐队 (Hei Bao / Black Panther) first, and much prefer it.

Was it easy to understand?
I was able to understand some parts without looking them up, which is quite an achievement for me. :lol: I still had to look a lot of it up though.

Which parts are your favourite?
I like the chorus, both for the melody and for the fact that I could understand the first (爱是没有人能了解的东西) and last (爱曾经是我也是你) lines without recourse to Baidu. It’s easier to enjoy a song if you can figure out at least some of it as you’re listening to it.

When did you first hear this song?
I probably heard it when I spent a year in China, as I found it on my computer with music I acquired at that time, but I don’t remember it from then. I (re-)discovered it a few months ago when I put a load of that music on my Chinese-specific mp3 player. (I recommend having language-specific mp3 players, btw – it’s much easier to listen to something in your target language when you can’t just go to the menu and select something in your native language instead.)

There is a decent translation of the lyrics here, but note that the pinyin for 了 is repeatedly given as ‘le’ when it should be ‘liao’.
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Re: East Asian Team - 2017~

Postby ロータス » Fri Mar 03, 2017 11:58 pm

I'm still here. Just had stressful midterms and so ready for spring break. Will update first post now.
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Re: East Asian Team - 2017~

Postby Komma » Sat Mar 04, 2017 10:56 am

hello there,
I'd like to join with Japanese. I just started learning it and my first goal is to learn to read and write the hiragana characters. At the moment I try to tackle 5 new ones every day. But I already did some a few months ago, when I dabbled in the language. That way, I plan to finish learning the Hiragana characters in the mid of this months. Let's see how that works out. If it's getting too confusing, I will slow down.

There were many reasons I started learning Japanese.
1. I wanted to learn a new language. I studied French on and off before, but somehow hadn't the motivation, because there was no hook. I just started it at school and didn't want my effort then to be a waste of time. Something new is always more exciting, but that alone would not be enough I guess :mrgreen:
2. I am fascinated by any kind of other alphabet or writing system and Japanese has 3 :o I enjoy writing with pen and paper and learning another writing system is very appealing to me. I was torn between Chinese and Japanese, but chose Japanese in the end for the following reasons.
3. A friend of mine is quite into Japanese from the Manga and Anime side and so I thought we could motivate each other better, when we would learn the same language. Though she lives a few hours away from me. But apart from chatting via Skype it would also be an opportunity to exchange letters and maybe write some Japanese in between..
4. I have some Japanese people in my sports club, so I could practice/ talk to them or first at least try to understand some of what they talk to each other.. I'm rather shy when it comes to practice something in presence of other people, which you have to do when practicing languages with others. Maybe I just practice on my own and when I am sure of something, I talk to them...
5. I also do like Manga and Anime. I know they don't use 'normal' language there, but since I am someone who doesn't really goes out to talk to people in another language for practice anyway, understanding Anime is a reasonable goal for me.
6. I want to learn about Asian culture/ history in general and one way is including learning the language as well. I chose that path.

So, my overall goal is probably not to speak fluently, but more to understand the language written and spoken in various forms (Anime/Manga, everday language etc). And also to learn about the culture and history. Which I think is easier when one studies the language as well. Especially in a language like this with all those characters who themselves consist of a combination of characters. It's interesting to know what some characters also contain and how to interpret that etc.
Maybe talking to Japanese people will be a future goal, but for now it's not my focus.


I do have a question about the group: I've read somewhere that there won't be any TAC this year. But in the first posts there is a lot of writing about a challenge. So is this actually a TAC team? Or just a permanent study group and the challenge mentions were concerning the monthly challenges?
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