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Danish pronunciation guide.

Postby kristiness » Sat Jan 16, 2016 10:20 am

Dear members,
i've been learning Danish for 5 month now. My studies haven't been intensive enough: i just had 1 class per week in the local swedishcentre.
This year i decided to spend more time learning independently and the problem is that i still cannot figure out: does the good guide to Danish pronunciation, with sounds files exist over there?
We've been taught that Danish pronunciation doesn't really follow any rulles (i wonder:))) and it will comes naturally. So what i must say: it doesn't :lol: . And each time i came across the word i haven't met before ( like while listening the coursebook material) i don't know how to read it correctly.

I'm now trying to spend my time on "Dansk udtale" by L.Thorsborg but the real problem is that all the notes and tips are written in danish which i'm not even A1 yet:))
What would you recommend?
Thank you.
I hope i've chosen the right tread, it's my first time writing here.
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Re: Danish pronunciation guide.

Postby smallwhite » Sat Jan 16, 2016 10:36 am

I always start with Wikipedia "XXX Phonology", in this case, "Danish Phonology".
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Re: Danish pronunciation guide.

Postby Speakeasy » Sat Jan 16, 2016 2:24 pm

Welcome to the forum! Please note that I have not studied Danish. However, were interested in doing so, I would begin by searching what-are-for-me the usual sources, which I have listed below.

HTLAL Forum
The HTLAL (How To Learn Any Language) Forum predates this one. In addition to asking for advice here, I would also conduct a "G-Search" of the HTLAL using "Danish" as my search criterion. Since this wide search presently yields 3,330 discussion threads, I would try to select those few that seem to be relevant to my needs. This one caught my eye:
Scandinavian/Nordic Language Resources: http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19352&PN=1

FSI Languages Courses
As I am quite fond of the audio-lingual method of language learning, I would consult the website that was created to host the FSI (Foreign Service Institute, U.S. Statement Department) courses that were produced in the 1960's and 1970's to see if materials were available. The database also contains a link to a separate website where some older DLI (Defense Language Institute, U.S. Armed Forces) are hosted. While, in this particular case, I came up empty-handed, I thought that you might like to know that these combined databases exist. Here is the main link:
FSI Languages Courses: http://fsi-languages.yojik.eu/

DLI GLOSS
The DLI (Defense Language Institute, U.S. Armed Forces) website provides free access to practice materials for numerous languages. While these materials are not courses in themselves, and while they do not presently include files for Danish I thought that you might like to know that the database exists. Here is the link: https://gloss.dliflc.edu/

Indiana University, Recorded Archives
The Indiana University Recorded Archives website provides free access to audio recordings for numerous languages and I often go there in search of basic materials. In the case of Danish, it so happens that they do, indeed, offer some materials: http://www.iu.edu/~celtie/danish_archive.html for which they have provided the title of the corresponding textbook. I conducted a quick search of the Internet and found a copy on Amazon.com http://www.amazon.com/The-Danish-Erling-Koefoed-Norlev/dp/B002JN2IXS. In some cases, the combination of free recorded materials and the availability of the textbooks can yield a surprising treasure for language enthusiasts. In this case, I am not so sure and I would likey continue my search. However, I thought that you might like to know about this website.

Introductory Courses
Danish does not seem to be a language for which numerous resource exist for independent learners. Although the following courses are quite basic and have limitations, I would be tempted to begin my studies here:
Complete Danish Beginner to Intermediate Course: MP3 CD-ROM: New edition (Teach Yourself): http://www.amazon.com/Complete-Danish-Beginner-Intermediate-Course/dp/B019TLMT22/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1452951099&sr=8-8&keywords=Danish%3A+A+Complete+Course+for+Beginners+%28Teach+Yourself
Routledge Colloquial Danish: http://www.amazon.com/Colloquial-Danish-Kirsten-Gade/dp/0415301823/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1452951348&sr=8-2&keywords=routledge+colloquial+danish
Routledge Colloquial Danish FREE AUDIO: http://www.routledgetextbooks.com/textbooks/colloquial/default.php#languages
Pimsleur Danish Level 1: [urlhttp://www.pimsleur.com/learn-danish][/url]
Speak Danish: http://www.speakdanish.dk/en/introduction/index.php
Assimil Le Danois: http://fr.assimil.com/methodes?base_language=0&learn_language=30&level= Note that Assimil offers their Danish course in either French or German.

As all of the options above involve the investment of time and money, before going further, I would do as you have done and ask for advice in this forum.

Other Materials
My Languages: http://mylanguages.org/learn_danish.php This is website that offers a guide on the pronunciation of several languages along with a few simple phrases for basic communication.
Duolingo: https://www.duolingo.com/comment/4287094. ... ditto ...
The Economist: http://www.economist.com/blogs/johnson/2012/07/pronunciation I had no idea that The Economist would publish this type of article!
+Babbel: https://lp.babbel.com/d/ENG_index.html?bsc=aw16-engdan&btp=default&gclid=CKbdzqbDrsoCFUwYHwodbAAGGw&l2=DAN
DK Headlines: http://dkheadlines.com/learndanish.htm
Stella Online Language Courses: https://stellacourses.wordpress.com/
Laerdansk: http://www.laerdansk.dk/en?gclid=CKPEib_ZrsoCFcYRHwodnNANIA. Who would know more about teaching Danish than the Danes themselves?

This Forum
Having conducted a basic search of all of my "usual" sources, and having not found anything other than a few basic materials, I would do as you have done; that is, I would ask the members of this forum for advice. Good luck with your studies!

EDIT: Slight edit for typographical errors and the inclusion of a few additional recommendations.
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Re: Danish pronunciation guide.

Postby Speakeasy » Sat Jan 16, 2016 5:15 pm

University of Michigan LRC
Subsequent to my post above, the thought occurred to me that there is a remote possibility that University of Michigan (UoM) might have some Danish materials. I am under the impression that the UofM sponsored and published a collection of very well-conceived language-learning materials, primarily in the 1970's and 1980's, for what I would call the "less frequently studied" languages. A couple of years ago, I stumbled upon their Language Resource Center (LRC) website where, at the time, they offered a collection of CDs that had been recorded to accompany many of the textbooks that they had sponsored and which one can still find on Amazon, AbeBooks, and other online booksellers' websites. Recently, the UofM LRC ceased their sales activities and, in its place, began offering these recorded materials free-of-charge subject to the submission of specific requests. Sounds good, right? Well, for some inexplicable reason, the UofM has decided not to publish a list of the available materials! As the independent learner does not know what is available, how can he/she submit a specific request ... you don't know, what you don't know, n'est-ce pas?

Contacting University of Michigan LRC
Here is the LINK to the University of Michigan LRC's website: http://www.lsa.umich.edu/lrc/sales which contains the Email address for submitting inquiries.

Danish Materials?
While searching the University of Michigan's website, I came across their Online Catalogue: https://www.lrc.lsa.umich.edu/catalog/. Please note carefully that this catalogue is NOT the list of freely-available recorded materials. By scrolling down the webpage, you will notice that they have a section entitled "Danish" which leads to the following list: https://www.lrc.lsa.umich.edu/catalog/result.php?sortdir=0&sortterm=Full%2BTitle&lang=%3D%3DDanish%2A&mode=advanced. This suggests to me that, in the absence of a "list" of materials, the UoM LRC might actually have some freely-available Danish audio recordings for which a textbook might be found elsewhere. If I were searching for Danish materials, I would send an inquiry to the University of Michigan LRC citing their "Danish Kit" and requesting information on how I might obtain a copy, including a request that they provide me a LINK to the audio recordings, or any other Danish recordings, should such material be available. Were the UofM to provide with such a link, I would then try to locate the corresponding textbook. In any event, it's worth trying!

Feedback?
Should you decide to harass the beleaguered staff of the University of Michigan LRC with an inquiry, as accessing the freely-available recorded archives continues to be an "open issue" for some Forum Members, I am sure that many of us would appreciate hearing how this worked out for you.

Ciao for now!
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Re: Danish pronunciation guide.

Postby kristiness » Sun Jan 17, 2016 9:32 am

Speakeasy wrote:Welcome to the forum! Please note that I have not studied Danish. However, were interested in doing so, I would begin by searching what-are-for-me the usual sources, which I have listed below.

HTLAL Forum
The HTLAL (How To Learn Any Language) Forum predates this one. In addition to asking for advice here, I would also conduct a "G-Search" of the HTLAL using "Danish" as my search criterion. Since this wide search presently yields 3,330 discussion threads, I would try to select those few that seem to be relevant to my needs. This one caught my eye:
Scandinavian/Nordic Language Resources: http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19352&PN=1

FSI Languages Courses
As I am quite fond of the audio-lingual method of language learning, I would consult the website that was created to host the FSI (Foreign Service Institute, U.S. Statement Department) courses that were produced in the 1960's and 1970's to see if materials were available. The database also contains a link to a separate website where some older DLI (Defense Language Institute, U.S. Armed Forces) are hosted. While, in this particular case, I came up empty-handed, I thought that you might like to know that these combined databases exist. Here is the main link:
FSI Languages Courses: http://fsi-languages.yojik.eu/

DLI GLOSS
The DLI (Defense Language Institute, U.S. Armed Forces) website provides free access to practice materials for numerous languages. While these materials are not courses in themselves, and while they do not presently include files for Danish I thought that you might like to know that the database exists. Here is the link: https://gloss.dliflc.edu/

Indiana University, Recorded Archives
The Indiana University Recorded Archives website provides free access to audio recordings for numerous languages and I often go there in search of basic materials. In the case of Danish, it so happens that they do, indeed, offer some materials: http://www.iu.edu/~celtie/danish_archive.html for which they have provided the title of the corresponding textbook. I conducted a quick search of the Internet and found a copy on Amazon.com http://www.amazon.com/The-Danish-Erling-Koefoed-Norlev/dp/B002JN2IXS. In some cases, the combination of free recorded materials and the availability of the textbooks can yield a surprising treasure for language enthusiasts. In this case, I am not so sure and I would likey continue my search. However, I thought that you might like to know about this website.

Introductory Courses
Danish does not seem to be a language for which numerous resource exist for independent learners. Although the following courses are quite basic and have limitations, I would be tempted to begin my studies here:
Complete Danish Beginner to Intermediate Course: MP3 CD-ROM: New edition (Teach Yourself): http://www.amazon.com/Complete-Danish-Beginner-Intermediate-Course/dp/B019TLMT22/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1452951099&sr=8-8&keywords=Danish%3A+A+Complete+Course+for+Beginners+%28Teach+Yourself
Routledge Colloquial Danish: http://www.amazon.com/Colloquial-Danish-Kirsten-Gade/dp/0415301823/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1452951348&sr=8-2&keywords=routledge+colloquial+danish
Routledge Colloquial Danish FREE AUDIO: http://www.routledgetextbooks.com/textbooks/colloquial/default.php#languages
Pimsleur Danish Level 1: [urlhttp://www.pimsleur.com/learn-danish][/url]
Speak Danish: http://www.speakdanish.dk/en/introduction/index.php
Assimil Le Danois: http://fr.assimil.com/methodes?base_language=0&learn_language=30&level= Note that Assimil offers their Danish course in either French or German.

As all of the options above involve the investment of time and money, before going further, I would do as you have done and ask for advice in this forum.

Other Materials
My Languages: http://mylanguages.org/learn_danish.php This is website that offers a guide on the pronunciation of several languages along with a few simple phrases for basic communication.
Duolingo: https://www.duolingo.com/comment/4287094. ... ditto ...
The Economist: http://www.economist.com/blogs/johnson/2012/07/pronunciation I had no idea that The Economist would publish this type of article!
+Babbel: https://lp.babbel.com/d/ENG_index.html?bsc=aw16-engdan&btp=default&gclid=CKbdzqbDrsoCFUwYHwodbAAGGw&l2=DAN
DK Headlines: http://dkheadlines.com/learndanish.htm
Stella Online Language Courses: https://stellacourses.wordpress.com/
Laerdansk: http://www.laerdansk.dk/en?gclid=CKPEib_ZrsoCFcYRHwodnNANIA. Who would know more about teaching Danish than the Danes themselves?

This Forum
Having conducted a basic search of all of my "usual" sources, and having not found anything other than a few basic materials, I would do as you have done; that is, I would ask the members of this forum for advice. Good luck with your studies!

EDIT: Slight edit for typographical errors and the inclusion of a few additional recommendations.


Dear Speakeasy!
You couldn't probably imagine how gratefull i'm!
Of course i'm already using lots of material you've mentioned but you provided an insight of some really amazing stuff.
I will definitely go carefully through your links and then will try to provide some kind of feedback.

Wouldn't you be so kind to answer one more questions? Are "language logs" personal diaries which people write about their own laguage studies? May i started one about Danish?
Thank you!
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Re: Danish pronunciation guide.

Postby kristiness » Sun Jan 17, 2016 9:33 am

smallwhite wrote:I always start with Wikipedia "XXX Phonology", in this case, "Danish Phonology".

Thank you! That's a good option for sure:)
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Re: Danish pronunciation guide.

Postby Speakeasy » Sun Jan 17, 2016 1:26 pm

Hello Kristiness,

Thank you for your comments.

Sources and Links in English
As this was your first post on this forum, and as you were searching for information on a language that I suspected would fall into the group of those “less frequently studied”, it occurred to me that you might not be aware of some the sources for languages other than Danish. So then, I decided to “construct” my post in a manner that would expose the FSI and DLI websites, the HTLAL Forum, as well as other sources, whether or not they contained materials for Danish, should you have an interest in other languages.

Questions and Discussions in/about Languages Other Than English
Although much of the discussion on this forum takes place in English, I would point out that many members are multilingual and would be pleased to respond to your questions concerning resources in languages other than English. In addition, there is a section on this forum entitled “Multilingual Room” where you can initiate, or participate in, discussions in what-seems-to-me any language at all, and I encourage you to do so.

Language Logs
Generally speaking, I do not to follow the discussions on the Language Logs, nor do I participate in them. However, it seems to me that anyone can create such a journal on just about any subject at all. So, “yes, indeed!” you can create a language log about Danish. I would point out, however, that while these logs are “personal”, they are “not private” and all registered members can add comments … which is probably what the “owners” of these logs are looking for.

Replying With Quotes
As a matter of personal preference … and this has absolutely nothing to do with either the Forum Rules or with Etiquette … I tend to use the “Replying With Quote” function in moderation. You might have noticed that, when you clicked on the quotation marks button to invoke these feature, all of the text was selected. When I do decide to quote someone else’s post, while the quote is open, I delete those portions of the quote that are extraneous to my own comments, thereby leaving the readers with a specific point on which I wish to focus their attention. Please note carefully that I do not, and cannot, speak on behalf of the Forum Administrators or any other Member of the Forum, I am merely expressing a personal preference.

Once again, welcome to the Forum!

Kind regards,
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Re: Danish pronunciation guide.

Postby Iversen » Sun Jan 17, 2016 7:25 pm

I am Danish so I can't give you references to resources for learning the pronunciation - I dont' use them. But I do know that the Danish pronunciation has different levels, and those who start out listening to recent Danish films have chosen to start at the hardest end of the scale. I'm don't really fancy fictional films, but when I can't avoid listening to them it strikes me how unclear and muddled the pronunciation often is. Older films were spoken in a clearer way, but can appear slightly quaint to a modern person. However some films from the 60s and even the 70s are still worth seeing, and they would be a good preparation for the films made later. From the 60s films with for instance Dirch Passer are still occasionally shown here, and series like "Huset på Christianshavn", the Olsenbande films and "Matador", which already has been mentioned by others in this forum, are also fairly clearly spoken. The same loss of vocal clarity applies to non fiction, including news broadcasts, and background music is of course spreading like the plague even in Danish media.

Danish can be pronounced in a very slow and distinct way, and in that case the orthography actually turns out to be fairly phonetical - apart from a few quirks, like the moving accents and the world famous 'stød'. And once you master that level you can start eating your syllables like the natives do.
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Re: Danish pronunciation guide.

Postby daegga » Sun Jan 17, 2016 8:50 pm

I usually use http://ordnet.dk/ddo when I'm unsure of the pronunciation of a word. Other than that, mass audio input helps to figure out the rules instinctively by yourself.
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Re: Danish pronunciation guide.

Postby Montmorency » Sun Jan 17, 2016 9:41 pm

daegga wrote:I usually use http://ordnet.dk/ddo when I'm unsure of the pronunciation of a word. Other than that, mass audio input helps to figure out the rules instinctively by yourself.


That's a great resource! Tak!
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