Trouble with T or D (stop consonants) Followed by Trill
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Trouble with T or D (stop consonants) Followed by Trill
I'm new to getting serious about learning Portuguese (BR PT, specifically) and, while I can trill just fine 90% of the time, names like Pedro or Patricia give me all kinds of trouble. My tongue refuses to work properly if there's a T or a D before a trill. Any tips? If context helps, I'm from the southwest of the US. Thanks in advance!
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Re: Trouble with T or D (stop consonants) Followed by Trill
as an exercise, try inserting a vowel between them. Then repeat it progressively faster, untill the vowel disappears: tarataratarataratratratratra... or diridiridiridiridridridridri.... etc
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Re: Trouble with T or D (stop consonants) Followed by Trill
Try imitating sounds cars make like kids do. (at least in this country)
"drrun drrun drrun" first they might say "durrn durrn"
"drrun drrun drrun" first they might say "durrn durrn"
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Re: Trouble with T or D (stop consonants) Followed by Trill
I find it really difficult as well, if it's the Spanish R that you mean.
for me, R is ok in Dutch and German becuase if you do the French one it's ok. In English I can sometimes say the R, but like you with certain letters before, it makes it much more difficult.
R is a difficult letter
for me, R is ok in Dutch and German becuase if you do the French one it's ok. In English I can sometimes say the R, but like you with certain letters before, it makes it much more difficult.
R is a difficult letter
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Re: Trouble with T or D (stop consonants) Followed by Trill
Generally in Romance languages an R after a T or D will not be a true trill, but rather an alveolar tap. Remember to make T and D dental rather than alveolar, so in "tr," for example, your tongue will move backward a bit from T to R rather than staying in the same place. Also, I think Portuguese does the same thing as Spanish where post-vocalic D becomes an approximant (like the TH in English "them"), which is definitely easier to combine with R than a "true" D.
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Re: Trouble with T or D (stop consonants) Followed by Trill
I know it's probably not much comfort, but I find this to be the easiest place to do a trill because the preceding T or D works as a kind of "launchpad": the tongue is already near the right place and as you release the stop the air sets off the trill or tap. I find it more difficult between two vowels.
I'd imagine that the exercises suggested above will help, similar things helped me at the start.
I'd imagine that the exercises suggested above will help, similar things helped me at the start.
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