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Log rlnv 2017 (FR)

Postby rlnv » Sat Mar 18, 2017 2:15 am

Updated 2017-03-31

Originally I posted a few paragraphs in French here. I decided to move it to a new post with an explanation.

I'm going to use this first post to outline courses and other activities that I have lined up. I'll update this as I progress. I don't expect to finish this all in 2017, but I'd like to make a good dent.

Course books in no particular order:

+ Grammaire Progressive du Français - Niveau Intemédiaire. -- I'm almost finished. This will probably be my last Grammaire Progressive book. I've determine that I prefer the McGraw Hill Practice Makes Perfect (McGraw Hill PMP) mainly due to the abundance of exercises and ample room to write the answers. -- On hold. I'm working on the PMP books.

+ McGraw Hill PMP - Complete French Grammar. -- Waiting in queue.

+ McGraw Hill PMP - The French Subjunctive Up Close. -- Waiting in queue.

+ McGraw Hill PMP - French Pronouns and Prepositions. -- In progress.

+ McGraw Hill PMP - Sentence Builder. -- Waiting in queue.

+ Develop Writing Skills in French - Graham Bishop and Bernard Haezewindt. -- This looks like an amazing course. Well worth the price. I can't wait to get started on this. -- Later this year.

+ Rédiger Clairement - Commission européenne. -- Later this year.

Other activities:

+ Continue Anki decks. My primary decks are 1) French Frequency Top 5,000. I currently have 741 unseen cards of 5,000 total. 2) My book highlight cards. I currently have 761 cards going.

+ Create a frequency deck of the 5,001 to 10,000 highest frequency French words. This will be an experiment. I suspect I'll start this after I have no more new cards in the 5,000 deck. At that time I'll have less cards in review.

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Re: Le log de rlnv 2017 (FR)

Postby rlnv » Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:09 am

L’une des choses dont j’ai très besoin c’est de faire l’écriture plus souvent. J'ai pris l’engagement à moi-même d’écrire 50 000 mots en français cette année et je vais le faire. Mais au courant, il est difficile d’exprimer mes sentiments, est le temps qui est nécessaire pour le faire est bien élevé.

J’en sais bien qu’il est extrêmement important. C’est pour ça que je vais écrire la plupart de ce log en français. Il faut faire des erreurs et tomber au sol avant qu’apprendre à faire du vélo.

J’ai récemment fini saison deux d’Angel. Je trouve cette série très agréable mais je suis déjà à la recherche de la prochaine série. Je crois qu’il faut une autre série en traduction d’anglais. Peut-être Battlestar Galactica ?

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Re: Le log de rlnv 2017 (FR)

Postby reineke » Wed Mar 22, 2017 4:06 am

rlnv wrote:Je suis déjà là et je suis libre comme un fou, donc il faut écrire un nouveau log sur mon site internet préféré. On dirait que, quand j'écris en français c'est comme je suis un rat de désert des États-Unis du sud-ouest. C'est pour ça que les corrections sont toujours le bienvenu chez moi. Merci d'avance.

Je viens de franchir 2 000 000 mots de français en lire des romans. Wahoo ! J’ai trouvé plusieurs excellents romains sur le chemin. Je vais les parts aujourd’hui.

Notables sont tous les deux par Boileau-Narcejac que j’ai lu, Sueurs froides et Terminus. Le style de ceux-ci me convient énormément. Il suscite le sens de proximité aux protagonistes, parfois en noircir ou hors de portée de quelque chose, même les rapports d’amitié ou amour. Le style sert à séduire la lecture. Bons livres.

Un autre romain que j’aimais beaucoup a été Le Chant de l’océan par Marie-Bernadette Dupuy. C’était un romain plein d’émotion et très émouvoir. Il s’agit d’une jeune fille qui dois se trouve comment survive dans un monde rude, et surtout se trouve le bonheur qu’elle manque et a très besoin. Avertissement, ne pas lire à moins que vous aimiez cri. Vivement recommandé. :)

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Suggestions...

Me voici de nouveau...

c'est comme si j'étais"...

Les corrections sont toujours les bienvenues

en lisant des romans...

Je vais les partager...

Les romans les plus marquants...
Les romans qui m'ont marquée le plus au cours de...

le style de l'auteur...

Il suscite... you should rework the second part of this sentence

un autre roman qui m'a beaucoup plu...

C'est un roman très émouvant et plein d'émotions.

Le roman raconte l'histoire d'une jeune fille qui doit survivre...et trouver son bonheur...

à moins que vous aimiez pleurer...
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Re: Le log de rlnv 2017 (FR)

Postby rlnv » Wed Mar 22, 2017 4:22 am

reineke wrote:
Suggestions...

Me voici de nouveau...

c'est comme si j'étais"...

Les corrections sont toujours les bienvenues

en lisant des romans...

Je vais les partager...

Les romans les plus marquants...
Les romans qui m'ont marquée le plus au cours de...

le style de l'auteur...

Il suscite... you should rework the second part of this sentence

un autre roman qui m'a beaucoup plu...

C'est un roman très émouvant et plein d'émotions.

Le roman raconte l'histoire d'une jeune fille qui doit survivre...et trouver son bonheur...

à moins que vous aimiez pleurer...


The good news is that the quote by Axelle Red was correct! ;)

Excellent feedback. I truly appreciate that. It looks like I'm going to have to get better fast or suffer a lot of public embarrassment. As the old saying goes, no gain without pain.
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Re: Le log de rlnv 2017 (FR)

Postby rlnv » Wed Mar 22, 2017 5:36 pm

I'm seriously thinking of dropping out of the Super Challenge. Not because I want to, but because I think it's getting in the way of what I "should" be doing.

The two things I enjoy the most in French are reading and watching shows. I could not be happier with my progress. Reading is now second nature, and I'm making huge strides with listening skills. The problem is that I have limited time and I always devote what I have to those activities before anything else. It's like there is a balance with easy/fun on one side, and hard/work on the other. Easy/fun always wins. Sure if I had more free time I would be able to cover everything, but I don't have much time. If I abandon the SC, I think it may make it easier for me to finally do what I need to do - work on grammar and writing skills.

I've struggled with the issue of not doing what is necessary for a long time. I want a solid B2 + writing skill (prefer +) by the end of the year. Something has to change.

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Re: Le log de rlnv 2017 (FR)

Postby PeterMollenburg » Sun Mar 26, 2017 11:47 am

rlnv wrote:I'm seriously thinking of dropping out of the Super Challenge. Not because I want to, but because I think it's getting in the way of what I "should" be doing.

The two things I enjoy the most in French are reading and watching shows. I could not be happier with my progress. Reading is now second nature, and I'm making huge strides with listening skills. The problem is that I have limited time and I always devote what I have to those activities before anything else. It's like there is a balance with easy/fun on one side, and hard/work on the other. Easy/fun always wins. Sure if I had more free time I would be able to cover everything, but I don't have much time. If I abandon the SC, I think it may make it easier for me to finally do what I need to do - work on grammar and writing skills.

I've struggled with the issue of not doing what is necessary for a long time. I want a solid B2 + writing skill (prefer +) by the end of the year. Something has to change.

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You can remain in the SC and just decrease your reading and listening/watching activities. You don't have to drop out of the SC just because you'll be cutting back on the fun stuff, right? ;)
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Re: Le log de rlnv 2017 (FR)

Postby luke » Sun Mar 26, 2017 12:03 pm

rlnv wrote:I'm seriously thinking of dropping out of the Super Challenge. Not because I want to, but because I think it's getting in the way of what I "should" be doing.

The two things I enjoy the most in French are reading and watching shows. I could not be happier with my progress. Reading is now second nature, and I'm making huge strides with listening skills.


I'll vote that you continue doing what you've been doing. If you want science to back you up, there's Stephen Krashen who also probably likes what you've been doing.
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Re: Log rlnv 2017 (FR)

Postby reineke » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:50 pm

Eh... I have a bone to pick with Mr Krashen.

Some suggestions.

Don't drop your media consumption. I don't care about the challenge..

I assume that you can pronounce French reasonably well.

Finish Mauger's Cours de langue...

1 read the grammar blurb and the text.
2 Copy the lesson
3 Do all the exercises and have them corrected.

Read a short story (preferably with audio). Copy it. Write about it.

Do some dictations (after Mauger I).
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Re: Le log de rlnv 2017 (FR)

Postby rlnv » Sun Mar 26, 2017 6:09 pm

Merci pour vos réponses.

PeterMollenburg wrote:You can remain in the SC and just decrease your reading and listening/watching activities. You don't have to drop out of the SC just because you'll be cutting back on the fun stuff, right? ;)


luke wrote:I'll vote that you continue doing what you've been doing. If you want science to back you up, there's Stephen Krashen who also probably likes what you've been doing.


De temps en temps je pense que je vis dans un monde qu’il n’existe que les extrêmes. Vous êtes absolument correct. Je vais laisser tomber cette idée d’abandonner le SC. Il faut se rendre aux choses que j'en envie de faire.

Cependant, je dois trouver le moyen à trouver l'équilibre. Grâce à ce fil, je me décide de consacrer la première heure chaque jour d'étudier mes cours. Quand ce sera fini et ensuite seulement commencer à lire ou regarder la télévision. Je vais instiller une bonne habitude.

reineke wrote:Eh... I have a bone to pick with Mr Krashen.

Some suggestions.

Don't drop your media consumption. I don't care about the challenge..

I assume that you can pronounce French reasonably well.

Finish Mauger's Cours de langue...

1 read the grammar blurb and the text.
2 Copy the lesson
3 Do all the exercises and have them corrected.

Read a short story (preferably with audio). Copy it. Write about it.

Do some dictations (after Mauger I).


I have probably never spoken more than a thousand words in French, and haven't done so for a long time. At some point I decided that, for the time being, I have no need to talk French. That may change at any time, and if it does, I'll certainly make it a priority based on need.

Right or wrong, I decided to focus on input skills first, doing so has given me a lot of enjoyment and I'm happy with where I am. Now I'm wanting to progress in writing only, not speaking at this time.

I realize that taking a stepped approach like this instead of working on all receptive and productive skills at a more or less equal pace is not ideal. I accept that, for me this is just a hobby. At some point I do what to write fiction in French, so I know I'll need high level skills in all areas to get to the point where I can do that well. I'll get there sooner or later. I'm incredibly stubborn.

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Re: Le log de rlnv 2017 (FR)

Postby jeffers » Sun Mar 26, 2017 6:36 pm

rlnv wrote:I have probably never spoken more than a thousand words in French, and haven't done so for a long time. At some point I decided that, for the time being, I have no need to talk French. That may change at any time, and if it does, I'll certainly make it a priority based on need.

Right or wrong, I decided to focus on input skills first, doing so has given me a lot of enjoyment and I'm happy with where I am. Now I'm wanting to progress in writing only, not speaking at this time.

I realize that taking a stepped approach like this instead of working on all receptive and productive skills at a more or less equal pace is not ideal. I accept that, for me this is just a hobby. At some point I do what to write fiction in French, so I know I'll need high level skills in all areas to get to the point where I can do that well. I'll get there sooner or later. I'm incredibly stubborn.


I prefer a stepped approach like this myself. For one thing, it's less frustrating, and since you're just doing it for yourself you can follow whatever method is most interesting to you.
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