Xenops Mostly Tackles French (and some other languages)

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Re: Xenops Tackles French and Korean! (and maybe German)

Postby Xenops » Fri Mar 10, 2017 12:32 am

tomgosse wrote:
Xenops wrote:For study times I have:
French: 40.4 hours
Korean: 2.6 hours

I still meet with the girl that took French in high school, and our weekly routine is to watch the French in Action video together, and then some assignments. We both noted the creeper behind Mireille with some amusement:

I was watching the same episode today, and noticed the same person in the background. I cannot tell if it is a man or woman.
mireille.jpg


It looks like a solide, costaud man with a barbe, and glasses, and a receding hairline. But that might be my imagination.
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: 6 / 52 French in Action


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Re: Xenops Mostly Tackles French (and some other languages)

Postby Xenops » Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:56 am

I have come to the realization that I'm burned out on French in Action, and I'm burned out on Pimsleur...But not on language learning. I feel like I've had a nice break from Assimil, and I'm interested in trying it again. I'll come back to the other two, but I need a break (plus, my study partner wants to catch up on her FiA exercises). I might also do away with times studied: it hampers me a bit, because rather than fitting in tiny pieces of language study throughout the day, I feel I need to make blocks of time, which I don't have on a regular basis.

Today I linked to Gabriel Wyner's method on Facebook [url="http://lifehacker.com/5903288/i-learned-to-speak-four-languages-in-a-few-years-heres-how"]here[/url] and it just reminds me of a burning desire I've had lately: I don't want to be stuck in a beginner or intermediate level for years and years. I was stuck in an intermediate level in Spanish for probably a decade, and it was just enough to do basic communication, but not enough to actually enjoy the language. I don't have an appreciation to tackle Spanish right now, but I want faster progress with French. So I'll use Assimil and Anki cards.

I've also started doing Duolingo again; it's easy, brainless way to get language exposure.

Korean hasn't moved much lately: school has been crazy. But tomorrow starts spring break! Yay!
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Re: Xenops Mostly Tackles French (and some other languages)

Postby Xenops » Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:17 pm

I have been working regularly with putting words into Anki. I'm taking words from earlier Assimil lessons, reviewing the material with the words and looking at the leçons. I look back at the early lessons, and I realize I've picked up more than I thought. :shock: Amazing!

For the cards, I use the Wyner format: the cards have sound, pictures and the written word. I also try to either pronounce them before I click the answer, or after I hear the answer, or both. I also repeat the word as I make the cards.

I was looking at ways to use Assimil on the old forum, and found a useful post by Rout:

Rout wrote:
QiuJP wrote:Firstly, I will copy the lesson in the target language at least once. As I often use
Assimil only I have completed grammar and vocabulary intensive courses that led to the
equivalent of B1 level of the CEFR, I do not need to write down the vocabulary used in
the lesson. However, if Assimil is the first course to be used for learning my target
language, I need to write down the vocabulary after copying the main text. After that,
I proceed with the lesson as suggested by the book: to listen, to shadow and understand
the text. I realised that if I do not write out the text (and vocabulary if necessary),
I do not learn much from the method, despite constant reinforcement from the later
lessons and the revisions from the method. However, I do not think I am using Assimil
effectively.

What do you think of my style of using Assimil and what are the main concerns regarding
my use of Assimil?


You say these are additional steps, but what are your initial steps for approaching the dialogs? Just using the method prescribed in the book (active wave, passive wave, etc.)?

Just to add to EMK's excellent advice for checking your progress, if you're not "assimil"-ating the language "with ease" then that doesn't mean that the book doesn't deliver on its promises or that the methods you're using are bogus - you just have to experiment until you find what fits your style. If, in particular, you're having problems retaining the vocabulary you've learned from the dialogs (despite its strategic introduction and reintroduction of vocabulary at such intervals that intentional review is not normally necessary), then you could do something more systematic whereby several reviews of each lesson are built into your approach.

What you're doing sounds okay for remembering individual vocabulary words (i.e. writing out the unknown words), but I find that when I "overlearn" material or at least learn vocabulary with respect to meaningful context, it more readily enters my long term memory. So if you find you're still not retaining what you'd like, might I suggest the prescription made by Dr. Argüelles.

To boil it down to the main points: at any one time you'll be studying/reviewing around ten lessons. The three newest lessons you'll be blind shadowing, the three after that you'll be shadowing while reading L1 and slowly transitioning to reading in L2, in the next three you'll be reading mainly in L2, and once you can understand everything without referring back to L1 the lesson is ready to write out and analyze by means of the scriptorium technique. At this point you can read all the grammar notes, as well. Add one lesson a day and once you've finished the entire text in this fashion type the whole thing out (double spaced) and read it, penciling in unknown words. As you continue to read through this, erase the penciled-in words when you can remember their meanings without looking them up. When you've finished, you can go on a "shadowing march" and shadow through the entire book in hour long chunks. After this you can play the dialogs in the background at which point it will not just be "noise" - you will understand everything. After this you should have an excellent grasp of the language and will be ready to move onto to other materials.

There are other approaches, but this approach is the most thorough I've found for simultaneously learning, digesting, and reviewing Assimil. If this sounds interesting to you then I suggest you watch the video (linked above) and take notes. If, on the other hand, it seems like a little too much work (when spaced out properly, it's really not) then you may want to at least check out some of Dr. Argüelles's other excellent videos if you haven't already.


The original post is here: http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=33502&KW=assimil+using
The Arguelles video is here: https://youtu.be/130bOvRpt24

My enthusiasm for Korean has dried up at the moment. :( If it comes back, I know of good materials to use. At the moment I want to charge ahead with French, and maybe work on other European languages that would be useful. French is my priority for now, though.
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Re: Xenops Mostly Tackles French (and some other languages)

Postby jeffers » Thu Mar 23, 2017 3:43 pm

I'm just posting to say Bonjour. Your log looks interesting, and I'll be following your progress in French.
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