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Re: Korean for Fun

Postby Sizen » Sun Apr 28, 2024 3:12 pm

KO1K 511/1000. Halfway through! At least in terms of the cards done, not the time it'll take to finish.

Assimil lesson 42. Another review lesson. This one almost had a bit of a dialogue going for a few sentences, then it switched to the normal disjointed assortment of sentences. This week was really very useful. Heavy grammar, with a final lesson that went a little hard. I made 12 cards for lessons 41 and then I decided to make another 2 today, so a total of 14 cards from one lesson. A new record! Previously, the most I'd made was 11. There were lots of references to Korean holidays and food/drinks again, so that adds an extra load to an already intense lesson.

The next week looks to focus on modes of transportation, at least based on the lesson titles. The lessons seem a little shorter compared to this past week, so I'm expecting a more relaxed week. I've been wrong before though. :lol: My grandmother had surgery this past Tuesday, and we've been having to take shifts as a family to stay with her throughout the day and overnight, so a lighter week would be very welcome.

So far I'm really enjoying Assimil le coréen. It started very slow for the first 2-3 weeks, but it's ramping up nicely and mixes a good amount of cultural information with useful language. There are also a couple of recurring characters (David, the foreigner, and So-yun, the native Korean) who come up now and again who add a bit of continuity without dominating every lesson.
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Re: Korean for Fun

Postby Sizen » Thu May 02, 2024 3:34 am

KO1K 526/1000. I'm finding it hard to find time right now between my grandmother and my cat who now needs to take eye drops three times a day and isn't super keen on the idea. I might stop doing new cards until things aren't so hectic.

Assimil lesson 45. This week bikes, buses and airplanes have all been covered so far and cars and subways are still to come by the looks of it. Korean definitely has a lot of verb forms. The future alone has ㄹ 거예요, ㄹ 게요, 려고 해요, 겠어요 . This feels like a lot compared to Japanese since there's only one future tense and it's more of a non-past tense. Then again, all of these nuances can be expressed with different particles and the like: します, しますね, するつもりです, するでしょう, etc etc... Then again again, the Korean forms also appear to sometimes be nominalized phrases, so they're not really conjugations, more like a periphrastic tense. It's just interesting to see that diversity of nuance expressed in other overlapping ways.

I'm still constantly on my toes when it comes to pronunciation. 시청역 came up in one of my lessons and something sounded off to me, so I re-listened a few times and figured out it was because it sounded like 시청녁. A quick google search seemed to confirm this. It wasn't even mentioned in the pronunciation notes, however. This isn't the only time there's been intrusive sounds like this because the course pointed out that 정말요 is actually 정말료 and 뭘요 is 뭘료. I don't know if this a consistent rule yet, but I'll definitely be keeping my ears clear of any wax while I study. :lol:

I'm definitely feeling a little demotivated right now because of a severe lack of sleep and free time from the aforementioned circumstances, but I'm hoping to not have to put my studies on hold. I'm so close to halfway done Assimil and the idea of reaching that milestone is definitely keeping me afloat.

I came across this music video the other day and have been listening to it quite a bit. It's apparently from a manhwa called Return of the Blossoming Blade in English. I found it on Naver Comics and was pleasantly surprised that I understood the whole first sentence after looking up the one word I didn't know: 붉다. It's always jarring the first time I come across a double batchim in a new word. Looks so unexpected. Anyway: 눈에 보이는 모든 것이 붉다. It helps to know Japanese because you can basically just swap out each word and it makes sense: 目に見えるすべてのものが赤い. Anyways, that was a nice little bit of encouragement. :lol: I'm a long way from being able to read something like that comfortably, though. I can definitely piece together the meaning, more or less, of lots of sentences though.

For example, 무엇을 위해 이 많은 피가 흘러야 했단 말인가? The only parts I've never seen before are the verb in 흘러야 but I suspect from the context it means "to be spilled" in relation to blood, 단 which I vaguely remember having heard is an attributive past tense form, and (말)인가, which I suspect is somewhere along the lines of だろうか in Japanese. So if I had to venture a guess, "Why did this much blood have to be spilled?"

I don't know if I'll move onto another language after I complete Assimil or if I'll stick with Korean for a while yet, but if I do, I'll definitely try this manhwa again.
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Re: Korean for Fun

Postby Sizen » Sun May 05, 2024 3:23 pm

Assimil lesson 49! That wraps up week 7! Tomorrow will be the beginning of the active phase as well as the halfway point. This past week really made me start to notice the major progress I've made since starting. Many of the lessons were much easier to understand despite the amount of new grammar and vocabulary. I particularly enjoyed lesson 47, which was an example of a subway announcement. It made me weirdly nostalgic for my time spent in Japan with how similar the announcements sounded.

At this point I shouldn't be surprised, but when I heard the word 담임 in lesson 48 and then saw it was spelled that way, I had to do a double take. I definitely heard something like 다님. Off to Forvo, I guess! Well, that certainly sounds like 다님. Oh, so it is 다님 for a lot of people. Well, it certainly sounds a lot closer to Japanese 担任 that way, so I won't complain too much. :lol:

I'm considering dropping new words from KO1K right now. The sentences have become a lot less interesting. Lots of short sentences like "Look at the sky" or "Don't lose" that certainly introduce me to the words, but don't leave a lasting impression. Assimil lessons are slowly going to get longer now, plus I have the active wave I'd like to try doing, so maybe I'll just focus on Assimil for right now. And if I feel like I need supplementary study, I always have Real-life Korean Conversations for Beginners that I can turn to. At least that way, the sentences will have a bit more context.

I did really enjoy KO1K for the first 300~400 sentences and it has helped immensely with giving me a core vocabulary and grammatical knowledge to work with. And for only $20, I still feel like I got my money's worth with 2ish months worth of study. But at this point, I think I have more productive materials I can use.
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Re: Korean for Fun

Postby Sizen » Mon May 06, 2024 3:44 pm

Nothing really interesting to say today except that I'm halfway done Assimil! The passive wave, at least.

Lesson 50 was a phone call and involved lots of phone specific phrases. Some of the lines of dialogue were longer and made up of multiple sentences, so I finally bit the bullet and started quickly chopping them up in Audacity so that there would be fewer new elements in each card I made. Of course this means I ended up with 13 new cards today. Not the worst, but probably a sign of things to come.

Lesson 1 of the active wave was back to basic greetings. Nothing hard yet.
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Re: Korean for Fun

Postby Sizen » Tue May 07, 2024 5:53 pm

Assimil Lesson 51. This lesson was about doing actions for others: 아 주다 and 아 드리다. I had already seen this from KO1K, but more importantly, Japanese also has a similar construction. There was a note at the end of the lesson that basically said, "Yeah, we know this is hard. Just practice it a lot." It made me think about how hard the pace I'm going at would be if I didn't know Japanese. I'd probably have to spend at least double the time on each lesson.

In what feels like a rare exception, this grammar point seems a lot simpler than in Japanese, as Japanese makes a distinction between whether the action is being done towards a first person subject or the in-group (くれる/くださる) or not (やる/あげる/さしあげる). Japanese can also use the verb "to receive" もらう/いただく to express the idea of "having something done for oneself". I remember this being particularly tough to wrap my head around when first learning Japanese because the agent is marked by the dative particle に rather than the subject particle or an equivalent. It sounds like Korean doesn't necessarily have an equivalent of the てもらう form, though.

The difficulty with Korean, however, is the honorific marker 시 which adds a further honorific distinction that Japanese doesn't have. You don't have to pay attention only to whether the beneficiary is deserving of honorifics, but whether the subject is deserving of honorifics as well.

In any case, this lesson was quite fun.

Lesson 2 of the active wave was back to nationalities. It's fun to look back and see how my hearing/pronunciation has improved since starting and catching myself pronouncing the different pitch levels of words without thinking about it too much. In conversation, I'd probably still be a mess, but it does feel good to see some progress.
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Re: Korean for Fun

Postby Sizen » Wed May 08, 2024 6:21 pm

Assimil lesson 52 today. Today’s lesson covered common expressions and greetings, some of which are different from English, like good bye, which has two forms: one for the person staying behind, one for the person leaving. Same thing for “bon appétit”, where it appears like there’s one expression for the person who prepared the meal, and another for the person eating the meal. This lesson also felt pretty easy comparatively. It feels like the past couple weeks were very grammar heavy, and now we’re just working on a bit of review, some new vocabulary, and some cultural notes so that it’s not too crazy heavy.

Lesson 3 of the active wave. This was just stating one’s occupation simply. Not super challenging.

I’ve got some free time now so I might as well write a little update on my current situation.

I’m feeling pretty good about Korean right now, but I also don’t really have any reason to learn it other than because I find it fascinating, especially coming from Japanese. So many aspects of the language are similar, feel like Classical Japanese, or are basically just exactly the same. It makes learning the language feel pretty easy.

I’m actually quite happy with my progress. I’ve never really been very organized when it comes to learning languages. For French I was in French immersion for 12 years, so all I really had to do to get better when I decided I wanted to be actually good at French was immerse myself and brush up on the grammar on the side. With Japanese, I just studied the grammar and kanji when I was bored and somehow managed to get good at it after a few years. With Korean right now, I feel like I’m going at 4 times the speed I’ve ever gone because I have a consistent schedule with a thorough course. I think the addition of an i+1 vocabulary deck to kickstart my studies has also helped a lot. I’ll likely use a similar method for the next language I pick up.

I don’t know if I’ll continue much after I finish Assimil, but there’s a part of me that does want to continue because I know I won’t have reached a level where I’m likely to be able to put it aside for a long time without seriously losing what I’ve learned. As a result, I’m leaning towards putting in a few more months at least, which means I need to have some materials lined up for when I’m done my current course.

I’ve been looking at Talk to Me in Korean, because I did get their one book, Real-Life Korean Conversations for Beginners, which I’ve enjoyed. I took their placement test, and it put me at level 3 of 10 in their curriculum, so I’m assuming I might be somewhere like 5 or 6 when I’m done Assimil, which means the intermediate level of the same series would likely be a nice continuation of my current studies. Their IYAGI course appears to be for levels 7 and up, so I don’t know if it’ll realistically be an option afterwards. I imagine my grammar will be up to snuff, but my vocabulary might not be there yet. Although, I suppose that doesn’t stop me from powering through it.

It would be the same for their News In Korean book that I’d be very interested in using at some point. Japanese news definitely has some very particular formulations that I got used to by simply reading the news often, but a gentle introduction would likely be more efficient. I suppose there’s nothing wrong with working through it anyways if it’s just a question of learning the vocabulary.

Korean Folktales in Everyday Conversation: Must-Know Stories for Korean Learners could also be a nice bridge alongside the intermediate conversations book before starting IYAGI, but I suppose we’ll see.

I don’t really know what other quality courses there are out there with audio and transcripts, so I might have to look at that at some point. Any recommendations would be appreciated.

I’d also eventually want to take up a tutor to get some guided conversations/writing exercises, which I might do after I’m done with Assimil. I haven’t had great luck with online tutoring in the past, as I usually don’t feel like I vibe with the teachers I find, but I’ll have to suck it up if I want to really solidify my knowledge.

Anyways, those are my thoughts at the moment.
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Postby rdearman » Wed May 08, 2024 10:21 pm

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Re: Korean for Fun

Postby Sizen » Thu May 09, 2024 3:59 pm

Thanks for the list, rdearman!

Assimil lesson 53, today. This one was on verbs of motion. Like Japanese, Korean can combine verbs with to go and to come to denote the direction of an action: 오다/가다 or くる/いく. The lesson was well constructed because it involved pairs of speakers responding to each other with the opposite auxiliary verb to highlight the directionality of the verbs. Unfortunately, this makes the individual lines of dialogue somewhat... not nonsensical, but definitely lacking context, so for the first time, I actually combined lines of dialogue in Audacity so that I'd have both verbs on the same card. Not a bad thing considering there were more lines of dialogue than usual. I ended up with only 8 cards instead of 13 if I hadn't combined them.

There was also a lot of "new" vocabulary. I say "new" because about half of them were words I could guess from Japanese and the context: 고객, 택배, 배달, 계단, 부인, 등산. And even 영수증 even if it's a little different.

Lesson 4 of the active wave. This was asking how someone has been doing. It's probably the most repetitive lesson even though it's only 3 lines of dialogue, but 잘 지냈어요 is in every single one of them. :lol:

The active wave is a little confusing at first because there isn't always a clear indicator of whether the text is in the "style poli" or "style ultra formel", as they call them, so I have to try to remember which it is based on my recollection of the dialogue. I think they eventually start indicating which it is in the literal translation, but that hasn't started yet. This lesson was the first use of the "style poli", which I remembered only after I had written it all out in the style ultra formel. Extra practice!
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Re: Korean for Fun

Postby Sizen » Sun May 12, 2024 2:49 pm

Assimil lesson 56. Another week down, another review lesson. The week wrapped up with a bank lesson and a lesson on family member names. The latter one was sort of unfortunate because it ended up being a list of all the family members one can have book-ended by a few normal sentences of conversation. This felt very textbook-y and wasn't my favourite. I did do my own review by drawing out a family tree and placing all the names: paternal uncle, maternal aunt's husband, cousins, etc... I was actually surprised when I managed to get them all in the right place on the first try. :lol: I never did make a big effort to nail these down when I studied Mandarin, what with the different names for the same family members on the maternal/paternal side. I'll make sure to get it right this time!

I decided to go back to a little KO1K. So 546/1000. I'm only doing 3 a day as that seems sustainable. I was kind of tired of it and finding the sentences bland, but it's actually picked up again. My current thinking is I'm going to try to keep going with it and then when I finish Assimil, crank up the new words per day for a while while I work through Real-Life Korean Conversations for Beginners, which should be a walk in the park by the time I'm done Assimil.
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