Speakeasy wrote:SophiaMerlin_II wrote:Speakeasy wrote:SophiaMerlin_II wrote: ... étude ... I wouldn't consider them "real" music. ... Then again, when it comes to classical type music I am a complete dunce ...
Need I say more?
At least give me points for admitting I honestly have no idea.
Were a composer to change the title of a composition from "Étude No.67" to "Allegro, Op.10, No.12" or to "Danse des âmes condamnées", would the piece be
transformed into "real" music? Select the music of any recording artist that you genuinely appreciate. Would changing the titles of their very best songs to "Étude no. x, y, z"
transform them into "fake" music? What criteria would you choose to make your decisions? What qualifies you to make such a judgment?
Would changing the name of something meant to help you master a specific skill make it into something else? No... A rose by any other name. That doesn't change what it was designed for/how it was designed. Would I, a mere pleb, even notice an etude or an allegro or a concerto if it hit me upside the face? Nope.
If Ayreon, or Ghost, or Sabaton, or any other such metal band came out with a song entitled "etude #__" I would probably laugh and then assume:
Ayreon is making another piece about Ayreon, the blind minstrel, who was the unfortunate recipient of the future's attempt to change the past, but became something of a Cassandra.
Ghost was making a socio-political commentary on the worship of all things old as the height of culture. Or about a satan-worshipping, or murderous, or avaricious composer who is infamous for some reason.
That Sabaton was doing a history piece relating to some historical military figure who also happened to be an accomplished composer.
Would any of them be designed to teach music? No. If there's some sort of normal form associated with an etude, would they follow it? Probably not. (Except perhaps Ayreon. He's about the only artist I know of who can make a flute not bleed my ears)
But again, do I know classical music? No, I don't. As the quote I posted earlier states, apparently quite a lot of important and well-respected people
would consider them "real" music, and
do perform them at expensive events in front of people who
do enjoy, appreciate, and probably know quite a lot about classical music.
Am I saying that they are somehow fake? That they are suddenly, I don't know, just noise? No. That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that because they were designed to be used at teaching aids, that they had goals other than the actual sound itself. They had the goal of teaching specific skills. If you can think of a better name for that, some sort of term to separate it from materials that were designed without that goal in mind, then I'd be happy to switch to that term.
I'm not saying they don't have artistic or musical merit. People who are in a far better position to judge that have already shown, by their actions, that they clearly do see the musical and artistic merit in these pieces.
There's literally no more ways I can explain what I think about this. I'm repeating myself I think.
I think no matter what we're not going to agree. And since you obviously know a lot more about music than I do, you're probably the one who's right anyway. I just don't see it the same way you do though.