How to properly do L-R method, any help for my attempt appreciated.

[Kamlari]

If you're unable to decipher enough audio on the fly, stop. Why shouldn't you?

Translation.
Beginners: interlinear word for word.
Example
Latin Interlinear Texts - a forgotten route to language learning:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnEKnezLXJg

[orlandohill]

LR for Grasshoppers. Written by Volte.
https://lrgrasshoppers.tiiny.site

Is the document "L-R, the most important passages" hosted somewhere similar? The original links are broken.

Also, thanks for sharing your knowledge all those years ago.

[Dragon27]

There's the copy on the Wayback Machine.

[german2k01]

I appreciate the method, but it uses audiobooks which will not prepare you to understand native speakers. They speak with a different intonation in real life. I will simply quote Le Baron's advice (long time poster here)i.e use right tool for the right purpose(in this case whether you are living in your target country or not so watching TV shows and listening to podcasts may give you better value for your time than L_R method if your immediate need is to understand native speakers.). I have listened to 100 audiobooks but that did not help me to understand German native speakers to a large degree. Only listening to German podcasts and German radio have helped me to bridge the gap. Now I can understand German native speakers. It all depends on what your imemdiate needs are. For me, reading old literature might not be a good time investment than say contemporary literature. Germans do not use vocabulary right from old literature.

Since L-R is listening heavy so its biggest selling point is to improve listening skills and improve your pronuncation skills. To be honest, in real life, these are the two most important things native speakers notice whether you are understandable to them or you can understand them better. You can not go wrong with it, however, you have to combine other forms of learning materials as well.

My personal opinion.

[Kamlari]

LR for Grasshoppers. Written by Volte.
https://lrgrasshoppers.tiiny.site

Is the document "L-R, the most important passages" hosted somewhere similar? The original links are broken.

A newer version - posts by aYa and opinions:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/fmgipfyb ... s.htm/file

LR curious? Have a try:
Animal Farm - Orwell | Full Audiobook in ITALIAN with ITALIAN AND ENGLISH text [learn italian]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBR4NYbERYI

[engpolusap]

I was similarly enthusiastic about L-R. These days, I think there are even more effective methods, though I still like the general idea of using translations to make listening more comprehensible.
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Could you share these other methods?

I'm experimenting with LR myself as I already have a partial knowledge of the second language so it's much easier than not knowing anything about another language. I'm looking into as many approaches as I can to see what will work best for me.

[Iversen]

I have noticed that it now is possible to get onscreen machine transcriptions of the speech in a wide range of languages on Youtube. There may be exceptions, but during the last week I have used machine made subtitles in Russian, English, French and German (partly to avoid listening). Likewise I have experimented with machine voices reading short snippets aloud in Google translate,and I use bilingual printouts with translations delivered by Google translate for my intensive studies. In all those situations there may be mistakes because of limitations in the 'knowledge' embedded in the software, but using such artificial systems to help me has become an imporrtant element in my language learning - as it is in the L-R method. There may be differences in duration and quality, but at least I don't have to do as many guesses without immediate feedback, and that's an important factor.

Would human made translations or transcriptions or readings be better? Maybe, but not necessarily - and I don't have to search for those that can be called upon by just one simple press on a button.

[orlandohill]

Could you share these other methods?

Sorry, I'm still in the early stages of developing the methods and required software. I don't want to give away my ideas just yet, in case it makes sense to offer what I have in mind as a commercial service. I can't allocate much time to language learning at the moment, so it might be at least a year before I have something ready for my own purposes.

I'm experimenting with LR myself as I already have a partial knowledge of the second language so it's much easier than not knowing anything about another language. I'm looking into as many approaches as I can to see what will work best for me.

Have a look at how Ryan Smallwood repeats book chapters, here and here. I haven't tried it yet, but it seems like a useful variation that sacrifices some enjoyment of story for the sake of spaced repetition.

[engpolusap]

I have noticed that it now is possible to get onscreen machine transcriptions of the speech in a wide range of languages on Youtube. There may be exceptions, but during the last week I have used machine made subtitles in Russian, English, French and German (partly to avoid listening). Likewise I have experimented with machine voices reading short snippets aloud in Google translate,and I use bilingual printouts with translations delivered by Google translate for my intensive studies. In all those situations there may be mistakes because of limitations in the 'knowledge' embedded in the software, but using such artificial systems to help me has become an imporrtant element in my language learning - as it is in the L-R method. There may be differences in duration and quality, but at least I don't have to do as many guesses without immediate feedback, and that's an important factor.

Would human made translations or transcriptions or readings be better? Maybe, but not necessarily - and I don't have to search for those that can be called upon by just one simple press on a button.

Using Google Translate is currently my main way of being able to write in Polish. Both the real time translation, ability to edit and audio input/output is very helpful. There are times I have to correct the translation even with my limited knowledge as it doesn't always translate accurately.

Could you share these other methods?

Sorry, I'm still in the early stages of developing the methods and required software. I don't want to give away my ideas just yet, in case it makes sense to offer what I have in mind as a commercial service. I can't allocate much time to language learning at the moment, so it might be at least a year before I have something ready for my own purposes.

I'm experimenting with LR myself as I already have a partial knowledge of the second language so it's much easier than not knowing anything about another language. I'm looking into as many approaches as I can to see what will work best for me.

Have a look at how Ryan Smallwood repeats book chapters, here and here. I haven't tried it yet, but it seems like a useful variation that sacrifices some enjoyment of story for the sake of spaced repetition.

Thanks for the link.

I had an idea for bilingual OS GUI language display which you can read about here:

https://languagelearning.stackexchange. ... or-digital
https://softwareengineering.stackexchan ... interfaces

A least for me having such a setup would be another useful learning tool. Maybe it's been done somewhere at sometime but I can't seem to get any further leads on this. If there is interest here I could start a thread for bilingual audiovisual tools.

[orlandohill]

I had an idea for bilingual OS GUI language display

I like the idea, though I think I'd take a different approach personally. For specialised vocabulary like this, I'd probably change one app or website language to L2 at a time, with the OS language being left until last. You could use an SRS like Anki, and have cards with screenshots and translations.

I had Facebook in my target language for a few years, but eventually decided to keep interfaces in English whenever possible. I could understand enough to read privacy policies and things like that, but it wasn't an enjoyable learning experience.

Ben from Refold has a video where he advises against changing the language of your devices. People in the comments have mentioned some examples where it does make sense though.